Wednesday, December 31, 2008

Letter of Resignation (Scroll Down for Newer Posts)

Below is my unaltered initial blogpost where I officially left the 9/11 Truth Movement. There is strong language, which some have even criticized me for, but I felt it was best to keep it in it's original condition to capture the mood I was in when I came to the realization that I had been duped. Please scroll down for newer posts:


My name is Mike Metzger, MikeyMetz for short, co-founder of 9/11 Truth UAlbany. I will not go on about my past accomplishments in the "truth" movement, but I invite you to check out the official site and our stuff on GoogleVideo if you're that interested in my background.

I figure the best way to start this all out is by reposting a Facebook note that explains my "sudden change of heart" to anyone who was interested.

Change of Heart?

I might be thinking too much of myself, but I'm sure some of you are already jumping to conclusions over my apparent "change of heart." I can hear it already. "Mikey stopped smoking pot, and now he's ultra-conservative all of sudden." Or, how about "Mikey's fuckin girlfriend changed him overnight."

If there's anyone who simplified my situation using one of these rationalizations immediately upon observing the obvious changes in my profile, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that you're one who quickly jumps to conclusions. I don't mean to offend anyone (although, I know I am), but I think that statement is rather representative of the entire 9/11 Truth Movement.

My "change of heart" didn't happen overnight. This has been a process that has been eating away at me for the past month and a half. I wanted to act strategically as far as "coming out" as a means to perhaps transition the 9/11 Truth group on campus to one that was less focused on strictly 9/11-related issues (aka more truthful ones). However, I was exposed to something that truly angered me deep down in the wee hours of this morning, which I'll get to later. I was so outraged that I can no longer keep my mouth shut.

For whatever reasons at the time, I no-showed the 8/11 truth action our group was doing in Albany. Instead, I watched a movie called Screw Loose Change. I expected it to point out a few corrections in some minor details of the film. To my surprise, it contested just about every claim in the entire movie. I was a bit shocked.

I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented.

Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts.

There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to "hey, we're just asking questions" if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's?

The truthers will just tell you that all the experts are "in on it." Yeah, sure. Every engineer in the world is complicit in the government's murder of 3,000 people. And so are the firemen, who apparently ordered Larry Silverstein to "pull" Building 7. The truthers' misrepresentation of Silverstein's quote is one of the most popular "facts" to spit out, but in doing so, you are effectively in agreement that firefighters were not only involved in the controlled demolition of WTC7, but they are also aiding and abetting in the government's cover-up. Yeah, every firefighter who was out there on 9/11 is going to be complicit in the MURDER OF 343 OF THEIR FALLEN BROTHERS! To quote Loose Change co-creator Jason Bermas, "the firefighters are paid off."

This is absolute horseshit, which brings me to why I've formally distanced myself from this sorry excuse for a movement. Loose Change, 9/11 Mysteries, Alex Jones, and all the other kooks out there are fucking lying about, distorting, and misrepresenting the facts to further their personal agendas. And what is their agenda, you ask? Money, in the words of Shaggy 2 Dope, "mutha fuckin bitch ass money." Not only are they desecrating 3,000 graves, but they are profiting off of it. That, my friends, makes me sick to my fuckin stomach.

Some may think that this is just a big personal attack, and that I'm not presenting enough facts. I honestly don't give a fuck because the information is out there. I love how all the truthers, myself included for a time, brag about how they've done all the "research." Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions. Check out the links I've listed above, or google "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change."

Controlled demolitions: absolute bullshit. Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false. My problem, and your problem as well, is that we have been blatantly misled by people who are only interested in selling dvds and t-shirts. This is supposed to be a truth movement. At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of ass that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research."


I don't know what the future holds for the student group. For the time being, I'm gonna continue to fill out the paperwork and other such presidential duties because I take my responsibilities and promises very seriously. But you won't see me hand out one more 9/11 pamphlet, or ever utter the phrase "9/11 was an inside job" ever again. I'd personally like to see the group transition away from fringe conspiracy theories and focus more on local issues (God knows, there's enough corruption in Albany, alone), but I might get outvoted by truthers. If that is the case, I cordially invite any of the truthers who think I'm totally wrong to step up and take the reigns. The group is, in part, my creation, but I'll gladly abdicate the throne if all everyone wants to do is continue the truther nonsense.

Oh yeah, what sent me over the edge today? I watched Screw 9/11 Mysteries, which basically adds comments to the original movie. Like Screw Loose Change, every single theory spat out is immediately disproven with formal citations from the NIST report, scientific journals, and the experts themselves. By the end, the whole controlled demolition theory is a complete joke, as the film can't even keep their own story straight.

9/11 Mysteries ends very tragically with a phone call from one of the victims inside the WTC. You may have seen it, it's the guy who's frantically describing the situation to a loved one, but then suddenly, the building starts to collapse and all you hear are his last words, agonizing screams. The creators of this propaganda movie did this intentionally, to play on your emotions right after feeding you all their bullshit theories.

But as I watched this film again, this time with the annotations, I knew that the creators of this movie used that poor guy's dying moments for their own selfish gains of selling dvds and perpetuating myths that do nothing but denigrate the lives lost on 9/11/01.

Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available.

I'm done, thanks.

636 comments:

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Former NYC landlord said...

Good luck. Since you got personally closer to individual "truthers" it's possible you may suffer personal attacks. And not just from those you know, but from "friends of friends".

Pat said...

Kudos, Mikey! It is never easy to admit you were wrong, especially when you have probably converted others to the cause. You have revealed your self as a legitimate truth-seeker.

This post made my day!

Pat from Screw Loose Change Blog

Anonymous said...

Yay back to sleep!

Alex said...

Well said, Mike.

Mike Smith said...

To lie is shameful, but
there's no shame in having been lied TO, man. Well done.

My brother, whom I love dearly, believes the "9/11 was an inside job" lies. I gave his wife as a present the Popular Mechanics book debunking all that. I felt like I had to give it to her, because if I gave it to him, he might just throw it away.

I'm going to direct his attention to this post. Thanks, man.

Anonymous said...

Damn straight.

It wasn't an inside job...

...it was the Jooooooos....

Anonymous said...

Sorry to hear you wasted a year of your life on the truth movement, but congrats on seeking out both sides of the story and deciding for yourself!

Eric said...

Well done, Mike.

"Asking questions" is one thing...but ignoring every fact and plausible answer until you hear what you want is another.

Good on ya.

Anonymous said...

Good job. Posting about it is excellent.

29Victor said...

That took guts.

Most people (self included) have a hard time ever even admitting they are wrong. This guy did it online and is going to loose friends and a position over it.

Heck, that's more than guts, that's integrity.

Good job Mikey.

Anonymous said...

As one of all those structural engineers who would love to meet a truther and tear them limb from limb: good job.

Anonymous said...

As soon as you quoted ICP I knew you were a complete fuckin' maroon.

Who cares what you thought before, what you believe now, or what fucked up path you took to get to those conclusions. You are worthless, KYS and do us all a favor.

The Monster said...

I'd gotten to the point where I was ready to write off the whole lot of the Troofers. You've given us hope that people can open their eyes.

Welcome back.

Anonymous said...

Sorry. Not good enough.

I had family in the towers both times they were bombed.

My brother in one of the firefighters you see staggering out of those clouds of toxic dust.

My sister had to walk through a pitch black subway tunnel for a quarter mile from the Nassau Street station.

It's going to take more than an 'oops' blog post to make up for the fact that you spent a year spreading lies about them and what happened that day.

I hope you'll put as much effort into publicly countering your lies as you did in telling them.

LeGioN said...

Well I'll be. Congratulations on a personal journey of growth and integrity. Your story will hopefully inspire others to search out the real facts and make their own minds up instead of following propoganda down a dangerous road. Can't blame you for being skeptical of your government, north of the 49th parallel we can be also. That said experts and those knowledgeable about the issues at hand have spoken out and I think Popular Mechanics book is the best of them all. Welcome back from the dark side Anakin.

three cheers for the hero of conscience !!!

Anonymous said...

As a registered Democrat since 1971 and an Ivy League hard science Ph.D., I say, Welcome Back from the Dark Side.

Lin said...

did it occur to you that there are more than 2 sides to an argument? considering your new "conservative" point of view, maybe not. could it be that all of the conspiracy nut cases are wrong, and also, the war is wrong? is there any chance that might be true? i've better things to do than look through your history, but considering your "new stance" i'd be real surprised if that was not your stance all along, and this is just another flight of fancy.

have a good day. :-)

Del said...

I'd just like to thank you, and congratulate you, on having enough intellectual honesty to do the real research and make your change of position known publicly. I only hope that some of the other 9/11 Truthers out there will follow your lead and do their own honest research.

The real truth is not hard to see. Usama claimed his glory again in these latest videos he has just released. In addition, more of the suicide videos of the 19 bastards responsibly for this atrocity were shown as well. How anyone could doubt Al Qaeda's responsibility and true intentions is just too bizarre for me to comprehend.

I welcome you to do even more research about the real culprits here. Check out "The Looming Tower" as well and learn more about our enemy. They are smart and worthy enemies and we need to take them deathly serious.

I pray more Americans will continue to discover the truth of 9/11 and the enemy we are up against. We might not want to be at war, but a real war is upon us.

God speed and peace to you and yours!

Jason Bo Green said...

Not that my opinion counts for anything, or even should, but I agree that it's big of you to admit you made a mistake, and it's difficult to do so - I know. But I also agree that this isn't good enough. If you're willing to put in the same effort and time to fight these malicious liars, you'll have redeemed yourself completely.

I'm open-minded - I'm a listener, and I don't discount things without hearing a person make their case. These people just don't have enough of a case - I listened, I gave it a shot, repeatedly. They are fools.

I'm glad you're too smart to be fooled for any longer.

Congratulations on being a far, far bigger man than any of your ex-colleagues.

Jason Bo Green said...

Also, I know you've opened yourself to extraordinary malicious attacking by these people. That's a brave thing to do, considering the immaturity of their anger. I don't envy your position. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

I would agree those videos play on peoples emotions and lack of real "expertise" with regards to physics and the like. Just like anything you see, tv, internet, printed etc.. you must take it with a grain of salt. The 9/11 truth movement tends to shoot itself in the foot, fanatically advocating these theories without much thought to them, and they are discounted as "kooks" and "consipracy theorists". THAT BEING SAID, I still hope you retain some skepticism towards the explanation given by the government. Even congressional leaders are calling for a new investigation to be opened. The SEC, the poster child for bureacratic transparency, will still not release the name of the person who put a staggering number of put-options on United Airlines. SOMEONE knew SOMETHING...

Yurebis said...

not even debunkers can explain all the dozen foreign intelligence warnings, the august 6th pdb, or the ISI connection. That my friend, is the irrefutable truth.
You have wronged yourself. The movement is not supposed to teach you or guide you to what is disinfo/misinfo. If you haven't learned the truth; rather, have now ran away from it, it's your own fault.

And that has nothing to do with controlled demolitions on 9/11; you chose to make it the main subject.

Anonymous said...

I applaud you sir.

It takes guts to admit that the truth is actually simpler and much more sinister than the spiderweb spun by your former brethren.

Mark Roberts said...

Thanks for posting this, Mike. As was said above, it takes courage to say "I was fooled." You're an honorable guy.

I've had over a hundred people email me thanking me for making information available that helped them examine the 9/11 truth movement's claims. At the JREF forum where I post, several debunkers are former 9/11 conspiracy believers. I think you'll find that there's a lot more rationality and research on this "side of the fence."

Keep thinking for yourself.

Mark Roberts said...

A clarification to my comment above: the "over a hundred people" I referred to had bought the truther claims hook, line, and sinker. In a few cases they had been leaders like yourself. I've received a few thousand emails from others who were just glad to have research resources available.

Best wishes,
Mark

!iOi! said...

I think one of the glaring "facts" you are looking over is the fact many important points have been ignored and avoided, and lots of evidence is missing. Whoever took the evidence is the bad guy in my mind. Find the rubble. Find the gold. Find the planes.

Tantor said...

Welcome back to sanity.

joeindc44 said...

Well, welcome back to sanity. I guess.
Your kind have done a lot of damage over the last 6 years. I only hope you are just as annoying and insistent stopping your lies as you and your friends were in starting them.
I also wonder if you have looked at your own motivation for believing such idiocy. Was it a deep seated hatred for the president, our country, or what? I wonder about your seduction, were you pulled into the truther movement begrudgingly beguiled by smooth talking liars, or were you all too willing to believe that Bush would of course kill 3000 people to get, well, whatever the hell it was he was supposed to get.
I guess you made a big first step, but now what are you going to do about it.

Anonymous said...

Dear American,
you're so manipolate by the government,the media ect and more of all by the "leader" of 9\11
truth movement that i wanna cry
with\for you.

Anonymous said...

Why suddenly stop at these two movies that debunk the truth movement? If you do even MORE research you'll find there actually ARE a ton of engineers and fireman who have come out on the issue. They are not all complicit, many either have gag-orders on them (the firemen) or are afraid of possibly losing their jobs. These hit pieces have removed your common sense.



www.prisonplanet.com

Anonymous said...

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Dear American,
you're so manipolate by the government,the media ect and more of all by the "leader" of 9\11
truth movement that i wanna cry
with\for you.

September 28, 2007 5:09 PM
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**To the "author" of the comment above**

Dear Asshole,

You're so "manipolate" by fuckheads who prey on the stupidity of illiterate cocksuckers like you, just to further their own agenda(s), that I pity you.

Oh, wait, no I don't. Jump off a fucking cliff and stop wasting my oxygen.

911_truthiness said...

Good for you! You are only a fool if you chose to keep embracing lies when faces with some much real facts.

Doesn’t it feel good to know thousands of your fellow men were NOT engaged in mass murder or its cover-up? That this was only the act of 19 deluded fanatics.

Anonymous said...

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Why suddenly stop at these two movies that debunk the truth movement? If you do even MORE research you'll find there actually ARE a ton of engineers and fireman who have come out on the issue. They are not all complicit, many either have gag-orders on them (the firemen) or are afraid of possibly losing their jobs. These hit pieces have removed your common sense.
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Hey, thanks for providing those links to the "ton" of engineers and firemen you're talking about.

Oh, wait--you didn't. I wonder why.

Anonymous said...

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They are not all complicit, many either have gag-orders on them (the firemen) or are afraid of possibly losing their jobs.
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I'm really sorry, I didn't see this part of your comment earlier. Now it all makes sense: the firemen won't say anything about who killed their friends because they have gag orders on them. Yeah, don't want to be fined.

And the engineers: "Gee, I'd really like to blow the lid off this conspiracy, but I'm almost fully vested in my 401K."

Prisonplanet.com: Reading that doen's make your brain tired.

Matteo said...

Thanks for posting this. And thanks for risking unpopularity.

911_truthiness said...

"They are not all complicit, many either have gag-orders on them (the firemen) or are afraid of possibly losing their jobs."

What kind of lowlife waste of space insinuates that hundreds of good, (and in the case of the firemen brave men) would keep quite about and act of mass murder just to keep a job?!!!!!!

You don't have to answer..... we know what kind... scumbags like yourself.... Self-righteous pinheads who lacking any kind of real virtue get themselves off pretending to be truth seekers.

Next time you see a FDNY fireman you should apologize.

Anonymous said...

Remember, do some research. I'm not here to give you children all the answers.


http://www.wingtv.net/paulisaac.html

Anonymous said...

I have to say I agree with this guy...

"Anonymous said...
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Why suddenly stop at these two movies that debunk the truth movement? If you do even MORE research you'll find there actually ARE a ton of engineers and fireman who have come out on the issue. They are not all complicit, many either have gag-orders on them (the firemen) or are afraid of possibly losing their jobs. These hit pieces have removed your common sense.
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Hey, thanks for providing those links to the "ton" of engineers and firemen you're talking about.

Oh, wait--you didn't. I wonder why."

....But at the same time I also have to say that the events of 9/11 are only the TIP of the iceberg. Maybe instead of focusing on 9/11 since it is after all in the past and we can do nothing to change those tragic events, you should try informing people more about the NWO and the ROTHSCHILDS and the SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY...what about those things??? These are the things that we need to be informing others about plus there is WAY more "FACT" to go off of when spreading the word about them...Just a thought.

Kudos to you though for not wanting to misinform others when you are not sure of the facts yourself.

Dan said...

Mike,
I congratulate you on taking the time and making the effort to criticaly examine the bill of goods you were sold as part of the 'Truther' movement.

If you are interested in helping others see through the lies contact me and we will see if we can help.

Welcome back to the Real World.

Dan Maloney
New York State Coordinator
Gathering of Eagles
goe.newyork@gatheringofeagles.org

Beth said...

Congratulations, Mikey. I have a lot of respect for your willingness to question your own beliefs and come to the conclusion that you had been misled.
Welcome back to the rational world!

Conspiracy Smasher said...

Welcome to the land of rational people...

michael said...
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29Victor said...

Up above
On September 28, 2007 2:37 PM
Anonymous said...
"Sorry. Not good enough.

I had family in the towers both times they were bombed..."


I'm not sure why he used the word "bombed," but he does have a point.

This is a great start and you have proven you humility and integrity, but you may want to see what you can do to make ammends.

The movement that you belonged to has caused a lot of unnecessary extra pain to a lot of already suffering people.

That said, with this post I still think that you have already done more than most people would have.

Zlaya said...

haha oh boy you leaving the movement is really making us 'nutcase trooofers' sad...

like, look at me, i'm crying right now.

i'm glad JREF shills were able to pull you back into the matrix man, you belong there.

Greta said...

You are now even more popular to the one's who mean the most, the families of the fallen and the fallen themselves.

Welcome back to Earth!

Will said...

I have compiled some resources on my site below. All the debunking of the 9/11 truth movement in one source: http://guelphskeptics.org/?p=18

benburch@pobox.com said...

Welcome to the light!

Anonymous said...

Yoohoo, Zlaya! Remember when you couldn't respond to a single point of any of the debunkers at JREF? Your regurgitated twoofer claims were thoroughly refuted and you didn't even try to defend it. What might this tell you?

Please let go of your silly fantasies. It's what an adult would do.

Love,
a shill from JREF

PS: here's the link if you feel like giving it another shot.

Anonymous said...

Why do you not step down from your presidential duties? How can you remain as a leader in an organization of which you know longer agree with it's message and beliefs?

It is good that you have introduced logic into your life.

Rich Casebolt said...

911 Truthers remind me of some of the fundamentalist preachers of my youth ... those who raged and raged about how backwards-masked messages were buried in rock records to warp our minds, and that ALL music of that genre should therefore be avoided.

Funny thing, though. I found that I could reliably tell what music was worth listening to ... and what, with repeated application, would rot my mind and soul ...

... simply by listening to the music "frontwards" ...

... and I never had any problems with misidentifying the good and bad, even when it included backmasking (almost always, as a gimmick!).

Sometimes, it IS "that simple".

Thank you, for publicly stating that you are now listening to the "music" of fact and reason, "frontwards" ... to borrow a phrase from classic rock ...

... you won't be fooled again ...

Anonymous said...

Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

Link

Ms Mole said...

nice work, I wish to buy you beer.

William Teach said...

Very moving, Mike, very moving. You know they are going to assault you, denigrate you, smear you, but, know that, like their theories, it is all based on feelings, and cannot touch. Just ignore them.

Kudos!

gr8inferno said...

So where can I attend Truther Anonymous?

tw said...

Congratulations, Mikey, on being mugged by reality. It's an interesting feeling, isn't it? There are interesting and amusing debunkings of Michael Moore's opuses as well. On the other side of things, you'll find reading the Koran illuminating. I look forward to watching your intellectual evolution. (And don't worry -- only an idiot would think only conservatives can face hard reality.)

Anonymous said...

Good luck, sir.

And remember this: the trouble with fighting ignorance is that ignorance fights back.

Stephen said...

The fact that they are airing that movie in new york on the anniversary is truely disgusting and sad. It was such a horrible day I simply cannot understand why anyone would want to use it for their own profit like this.

Random Numbers said...

Bill Whittle recently asked the question that no truther can answer.
"(W)hat kind of moral universe do you have to inhabit to be able to believe that your own people -- airline personnel, demolition experts, police and security forces, faked witnesses and all the rest -- are capable of such a thing? How much hate for your own society do you have to carry in order to live in such a desolate and ridiculous mental hell? What psychoses must a mind be riddled with in order to negate what was perfectly obvious and instead believe a theory of such monumental fantasy? How much pure constant hatred does that take?"


I recommend reading the whole essay, Mike. It will help.

Gabe said...

I was also suckered into entertaining many of the lies of the "truth" movement, although I never took it beyond speculation, and occasional discussions with close friends and family.

It's embarrassing, and infuriating to realize that you can be manipulated this way. I hope more people follow your lead.

A side note about a common misconception I've seen mentioned here:

Contrary to popular belief, many of the most outspoken "truthers" are actually far right wing. Alex Jones is one of these.

While Jones doesn't go so far as to embrace the anti-Semitic "Zionist" theories (as many in the truth movement do), his rhetoric is deeply scored with libertarian-conservative ideology, to the point that he makes the NRA seem moderate.

I've listened to some of his old broadcasts, and they are so riddled with fear-mongering and disinformation that it's impossible to afford him a shred of credibility once you've heard them.

Namely, he rants about imminent ICBM attacks from Russia, and nuclear power plants close to meltdown during the last days of 1999 (Y2K scare). It literally sounded like he was trying to panic people, and start a riot.

It's surreal to hear in light of what was really happening during that time, and can only be described as, at best, recklessly irresponsible broadcasting, or at worst, out right despicable lies.

With that in mind, how can you trust anything he or his ilk have to say about the "truth" concerning 9-11?

I'm more inclined to believe the real conspiracy is that Jones is very likley in league with the neo-conservatives in order to marginalize and mislead possible dissenters of their illegal wars by baiting them with disinformation and outright lies.

Food for thought for you "prison-planet" true-believers. "Info-wars" is an interesting choice for the name of his other site...

woodchopper said...

Its always difficult to admit that you were wrong, and ten times as hard to do so in public.

You have shown great courage and integrity. I wish that everyone else would show similar qualities.

Pete Weaver said...

well done!

Anonymous said...

hey, welcome. This world is more scary than the truthers' world.


jane
http://armiesofliberation.com

Jay said...

Wow michael that list over at ae911 truth is pretty impressive dude....

But i bet they can't top my list though, so they still have a very long way to go.

Architects and Engineers

I guess alot of you people heard about the website ae911truth where a group of individuals claim that what happened to WTC 1, 2 and 7 could not have happened according to them. This is just a claim, because they have nothing to show for it that it could not have happened the way it did. You won't find any calculations that show how the NIST Report is wrong. On this site you will find many structural engineers, those are the ones that actually know what they are talking about, explaining why the towers collapsed the way they did. So feel free to look at all the information i gathered about the research done on the collapse on the towers. The research was published in many engineering magazines and all over the internet on engineering sites(See the links on the right side of this site). Despite that, only a handfull of architects and engineers still question the NIST Report, but never come up with an alternative. Although it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, but remember that there are 123.000 civil engineers joined at the ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) that don't question the NIST Report. There are also 80.000 Architects joined at the AIA(American Institute of Architects) that don't question the NIST Report.

Although there field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings, but they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth, there are also 120.000 Mechanical engineers jonined at the ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) that don't question the NIST report. There are also 370.000 Electrical engineers joined at the IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) that don't question the NIST report. There are also 40.000 Chemical engineers joined at AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers)that don't question the NIST Report.
So who would you rather believe?

Jay said...

So i guess they have about 733.000 engineers to convince yet. And i havent even mentioned the other engineering fields they mention at AE911truth, like metalurgical engineers or marine engineers, and a few others. So we are looking at around 1 million engineers to go. Good luck :)

Anonymous said...

I know I am an idiot, but I can't find one useful peace of info on this page.

I don't know any "911 truther" or whatever you call them who claims to "know the truth". What they claim is that the official gov't. explanation itself is short on facts, and reads like a conspiracy theory.

The "truth researchers" aren't obligated to come up with the truth. Their job is to examine the official explanation and to determine if it matches what we can observe and know for sure. And the conclusion is that the official story is a bunch of lies and imcomplete investigation.

The 911 truthers don't know the truth, but they know a lie when the are confronted with one. Good luck with your scary dangerous reality.

Anonymous said...

So what did melt all that steel in the basement? The stuff that was hot for weeks in spite of millions of gallons of water being pumped on it?

Enjoy.

Anonymous said...

Must be a trip to realize you were just a punk ass kid sitting behind a computer making shit up and affecting real lives, huh?

I knew you all were full of shit when I saw you on TV. Just punk ass mother fuckers, that all.

But hey! We all do stupid shit when we are young, my generation just did not do it on the internet.

IMG said...

so what exactly happened mikey? youre sober now is that it? did you just finish your 12th step?

if lucidity is your true & sincere goal, then revoking your time involved with the albany truth group is one thing, after all it is your time - but basically submitting to hallucination as part of your recovery is, i'm sure you'll find, no recovery at all. it is simply an alternative hallucination in which you will use that safe warm feeling you get from widened social acceptance and a vague numb notion that true evil doesnt exist that you would otherwise have gotten from alcohol or drugs. that doesnt make it right, but it does likely give you less reasons to drink (or if you dont really drink substitute primal need for acceptance here)

but as you and i both know, we cannot deny what our own eyes have seen, the mountain of evidence - not speculation, not a game of 'wouldnt it be cool if...' - that you have likely uncovered in your time as a 'troofer'. it's not a debate anymore; that framing exists only in the media (of which i am admittedly a member). now its a matter of how the facts will be disseminated into popular information streams.

i'm sure you will choose a life that you believe to have meaning and real significance other than shouting into a bullhorn and pleading with people to see things your way, but what i think you may end up surrendering is that highest of meanings, that most noble of ideas: truth.

good luck in telling yourself the world is better than it is. we hope you succeed.

Anonymous said...

I understand that about 90% of the claims put forth from the truthers
is bogus, but there is NO WAY a plane hit the pentagon. It is physically impossible to fit the plane in this hole. take a look.

http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/pentagon1.html

Beyond what happened at the pentagon, I don't believe either side about everything else.

Anonymous said...

On behalf of the Sand People, we'd like to THANK YOU Mike Metzger for re-introducing your head into our community.

Truth is never easy to find, and many "truthers" may not have all the facts, but something is definitely amiss here... you don't have to be a hard core paranoid to see that.

Your impassioned use of the word "fuck" does illustrate how much you lack in clarity. Obviously something has happened that has made you upset.

I hope someday you once again are able to see clear enough to know that your attempts at finding the truth were less than sincere. Pretty sad indeed.

DarthVegas said...

Welcome to the world of analytical thinking. I think you'll find it quite handy in most of your endeavors.

sunking278 said...

I say to 9/11 'truthers' and 'debunkers' alike, only GOD knows what really happened. Both sides in this nauseating, endless debate generally come across as know-it-all fools. And then the childish name-calling starts, and the impugning of each other's patriotism, so on and so forth. It's enough to make want to rip my hair out.

MIKE, as sick to death as I am of everything 9/11, I would be interested to know what you think really happened now that you are resigning from the 'truth' movement. Do you now believe the government's side of the story? Is it really possible for 19 men spread across four airplanes to hijack those planes with only razor blades? Do you take the position that it wasn't an inside job but the government let it happen? It has, after all, been extensively reported in the mainstream press that the State Department received repeated warnings of an impending attack in the months beforehand. What is your theory now?

In the end, though, it really doesn't matter what any of us believe may have happened. Again, GOD knows, and He will deal with those responsible. While Alex Jones does excellent work on many vital issues, my eyes glaze over when he starts on 9/11. I'm not going to be so jaded as to assume he's in it for the money, or is a undercover agent for the neo-cons; he is probably very sincere, and could just possibly be plain old wrong. The government, on the other hand, is never to be trusted, EVER! Any good American from the founding of the country on knows this. The only certainty I have about 9/11 is that we haven't been told the whole truth, and never will be.

We have enough problems in 2007 - the wars in the Middle East, the tanking economy, the invasion of illegal aliens and the forthcoming North American Union, the ever-increasing violations of civil liberties, etc. Let's all start focusing on the clear and present dangers instead of being stuck in the past, arguing about something none of us could prove one way or the other.

Noah P. Tefft said...

Wow, this is quite surprising Mike. In only 48 hours your words are all over the Internet. I am receiving calls and emails asking about you. As a person who also co-founded 9/11 Truth UAlbany with you and someone who also would consider himself a friend of yours, I was shocked that you wrote this.

My question for you is where do you stand now? Do you still support a new investigation? Do you now believe that 19 muslims with box cutters did this? Do you believe everything that you see on TV and in movies? Are you physically capable of forming your OWN opinion? You have me quite confused.

What really hurts me the most Mike, is to hear that you "wasted a year of your life". Does that mean that the friendships you made over that year were a waste too? I'd hate to think that. Was it a waste of time for us to work in solidarity with all of those other groups on campus too - The Greens, Killer Coke, Students for Workers Right, etc? Were those nights we hung out at my apartment drinking beers until sunrise discussing how we wanted to make the world a better place for everyone a waste too? If that is so Mike, then you my friend are the one who duped me into believing that you were an intelligent caring human being, capable of making his own decisions, and forming his own rational opinions.

So you disagree with some of the stuff in Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries - I do too, but that doesn't mean that it's all wrong either. It also doesn’t mean that they were trying to “dupe” you, or present lies to make movie sales. If you remember correctly, it was me who urged you all (SUNY Albany Truthers) to watch Screw Loose Change sometime last year. I said that in order to find the truth - whatever that may be - you need to look at every side of the story. You didn’t want to look into anything other than whatever your hero Alex Jones had to say. This movement isn’t “led” by anyone, and we all have different opinions as to what happened on 9/11. For you to blindly follow someone like Alex Jones without looking into both sides is irresponsible anyways. I have issues with the Truth Movement as well at times, and I do my best to address those issues in order to move forward – but throwing out blind attacks will get you nowhere.

For the record, Bermas admitted he was wrong about "The firefighters being paid off", and he apologized as well - 2 years ago - http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/2006/12/message-from-jason-bermas.html
Why to you have such hatred for the Loose Change guys? I think you are hitting below the belt Mike, and that just doesn't seem like the Mikey Metz that I became friends with last year.

And Mike - was this really necessary? -
"Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research." "

Are you saying "fuck you" to me as well? I have done my own research as well, and I had been years before I had met you, and long before Loose Change had even been created. My research did not just consist of Infowars archives - it came from all types of sources, mainstream and underground. Shit Mike, I had already read the Debunking the 9/11 Myths put out by Popular Mechanics before YOU had even heard of Loose Change. I told you about 9/11 Myths a long time ago - It's not my fault you didn't want to look at other facts. Perhaps you should have spent less time yelling at traffic through bullhorns, and sat down and did some independent thinking and research.

What the hell did Dylan and Jason ever do to you? - Oh right, they came out and spoke at our school twice, and they made TONS of money too - Oh wait, no they didn't, they didn't sell anything. They didn't charge us anything - In fact, they brought free copies of Loose Change for everyone who came.

Mike - you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, it is your right to do so. But placing blame on others for your lack of research is inexcusable. If your beliefs are so easily manipulated just by watching a movie or two, then you have real issues, and that would lead me to believe that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. I certainly hope that is untrue, because I always thought that you were a very intelligent person, capable of independent thinking. I’m not sure if you are just angry in general and looking for something or someone to lash out at – but doing so in a manner like this will inevitably get you nowhere.


I hope that you continue to search for the truth Mike. I urge you to look beyond dvds and websites either supporting or debunking 9/11 Truth – There is a much bigger picture than just that out there – and the truth is - We may never know what really happened on 9/11, not one of us on either side holds the key to unlocking the “Truth”. That my friend is for you to decide for yourself.

I wish you the best Mike.

Your Friend,
-Noah P. Tefft
Co-Founder 9/11 Truth UAlbany
Truther For Life

Anonymous said...

I'm not surprised that you find the theories of Loose Change and Alex Jones to be untenable, I do as well. Their followers are very vocal about their believes, but there are other unrelated leaders you haven't addressed. Your inductive generalization of them to the whole truth movement is not cogent.

For an actual scientific examination of 9/11, see the work of Jim Fetzer at Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Watch him, he doesn't believe everything he links to.

The truth is not easy to find, and no one may ever find it. You have concluded that some theories are invalid, but what do you support now and why? Or are you just resigning from searching anymore? Are we to expect posts scientifically supporting the government's theory from you in the future?

Congrats making digg's frontpage.

Anonymous said...

Welcome back to the real world. I am so proud of your stance and reading your blogging on this has restored my faith in humanity and the ability to reason. Thank you and enjoy your enlightenment. :-)

HoosierArmyMom

Francis Marion said...

Wow Noah, do you actually believe that since Mike no longer believes in your load of garbage that he can't think for himself?

I only hope that you too can grow up and learn what life is really about.

Tampa Rob said...

Amazing, just amazing!!!

I find it amazing that people (that most would consider intelligent and educated) can stare at the same glaring horrific images and conclude that the government planned and executed to perfection such a heinous crime on humanity. This, of course, with out ANYONE blowing the whistle before it occurred. Hell, a couple of idiot Army MP's can't even pull off some Frathouse hazing of prisoners with out it becomming world wide attention.

The Truth!! They are looking for "THE Truth". What a joke. To paraphrase a movie, You CAN'T HANDLE "THE Truth". "THE Truth" IS there are millions, perhaps billions, of people outside this country that HATE this country and would do ANYTHING to destroy and kill each American in it. That includes these self called "Truthers". They will stop at nothing to accomplish this goal, including committing suicide. THAT is "THE Truth". I guess it is easier to believe ones own government is corrupt than it is to believe that so many people want YOU dead. Sometimes TRUTH is harder to believe than fiction.


Noah, it is the RIGHT of every citizen to question the government. That is what this country is founded on, paranoia However, If you don't think that 19 motivated men can possibly Hijack 4-planes, consider most hijackings occur with a single person. One person can claim to have a bomb and the means to detonate it. The knives were presumably for show or in case no one believed them.

To the (how did he spell it) "maroon..." who doesn't think an airplane hit the pentagon how do you explain the landing gear INSIDE the pentagon? How do you explain all the pieces of Aluminum OUTside the pentagon with airline markings and paint? How do the "Truthers" explain the hundeds of witnesses that SAW the plane hit the pentagon. Further, how is it that light poles were knocked down in front and toward the impact point AND the generator building that was damaged by an apparent wing strike????? Oh yes must have been "THE Missile" that made the hole. That little hole.
I have an idea! To make things as SIMPLE!!! as possible, Why don't "THE Truthers", buy a plastic model airplane and build it with the strongest model glue available. Then find a peice of plywood and drill a hole in that wood approximating the width of the plane. Then, either in slow motion or as quickly as they like force the plane through the hole. Then observe what happens to the wings... Physics should dictate those wings should fold up behind or along the fuselage.... hmm


Sometimes "The Truth is harder to believe than fiction".

Jay said...

Funny you should say that Tampa Rob, but ive seen someone actually doing just that with the model plane :) I hope i can find the link to it so i can post it here.

Noah P. Tefft said...

Francis Marion - When I questioned Mike thinking for himself it pertained to his watching of Screw Loose Change, and immediately changing his stance on 9/11 Truth. I wanted to know if he was capable of making his own decisions, or if he was just allowing videos to form his opinion for him.

Feel free to send me hate mail on myspace.
:)

Anonymous said...

You took a genuine inventory of the evidence, and got behind the story that made the most sense. There's no such thing as an airtight story, but that's where common sense comes in. Intellectual honesty like that is rare, and enviable.

Kudos. More people should adopt an attitude like yours.

Noah P. Tefft said...

Tampa Rob - It is also my RIGHT to question 9/11 - AND believe that 19 Muslim hijackers did not carry out the events of 9/11.

Hawk said...

Nice to see that someone who was "asking questions" finally found some answers. Good luck on apologizing to all those who lost loved ones on 9/11 for your year of promoting the insulting garbage that is 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Inc.

I do have a small question: The Popular Mechanics article came out some time ago. What was your reason for not reading/accepting (whatever the case may be) it? I've heard two excuses by Truther/Loosers.

1) Somebody at PM happened to have the same last name as someone in the Bush administration, so obviously the article was a hit piece (Which, of course, has been proved to be BS, as the two Chertoffs in question have never met or spoken to each other, and are as related to each other as I am to a certain Hollywood actor with the same last name.).

2) The founder of PM's parent company, Hearst Publishing, had Nazi ties in the 30's. That one is so laughable and pathetic, there's no point in wasting any time on it.

So anyway, I'm just wondering why the PM article didn't convince you before you spent a year of your life with a bunch of opportunistic, narcissistic, lying, distorting, manipulative children.

Thanks again for coming back to reality, however you did it. It's not pleasant, it's not politically correct, and it's not as entertaining as a bunch of factless, contradictory and boderline hallucinogenic theories, but at least you know it won't change with the latest anarchist campus trends.

anon said...

Tampa Rob - It is also my RIGHT to question 9/11 - AND believe that 19 Muslim hijackers did not carry out the events of 9/11.

Sure enough. It's also your right to believe that the earth is flat or that we didn't land on the moon or that the Mahdi is coming or...

I think it might have to do with our civilization going through so many changes so fast. It's making some people screwy. Although that's part of being human, I must admit. Am I screwy? Sometimes, but at least I admit it!
Leave the poor guy alone. He's mad at himself about how he was taken in. If you're lucky, one day you'll be in the same place.

Mike, you're on the road to recovery. It'll take time but you've taken the biggest step.

loboinok said...

Welcome back to reality!

Now that you've discovered the 'agenda' behind the "theory", you should have less difficulty recognizing the agenda behind most "theories".

Todd said...

Man, you got some big balls. Way to go dude. If everyone in America were willing to admit that they were wrong, or were willing to compromise, we would have the political parties working together to get stuff done, and we'd have people a lot better informed in the process. Way to set the example!!

Zoe Brain said...

I was wrong too.

I thought all 9/11 Truthers were either people impervious to rational argument and facts, or just plain crooks.

You've proved me wrong. And if there was one person just misguided, and taking some time to examine the issues, there's probably more.

Anonymous said...

Have to say that I saw your post from a Digg link and it made me think. I consider myself a "truther" though I don't care for that term. I will say that reading this made me go back to a lot of debunking sites and read up. Been doing a lot of it today.

Thing is, I still lean towards the "truther" point of view. But that's a pretty broad term. There's wackos on both sides of things. Both sides have people that skew facts and put out misleading info. I tend to not care for the "concerned citizen" style documentaries on 9/11 truth. I only deal with scholars for the most part.

A good example of "truther" misleading can be one "documentary" I saw on the Pentagon hit. They interview allll these people and at the end, put their own agenda into it insinuating the plane barely missed the Pentagon and flew over it while timed just right to hide behind the smoke of planted bombs.... even though the people in eyesight of the Pentagon said, without a doubt, it went into the Pentagon. Ugh. These types of "documentaries" just hurt the 9/11 movement.

On the other hand, you have some people who believe in the official story that like to dodge info and attack the person rather than the information. THAT hurts their cause too. As well as people saying misleading things such as one of the people who posted above me saying that 370,000 electrical engineers at IEEE agree with the NIST report. Now, honestly, I only did a very basic browse and google of ieeeusa.org and ieee.org and found nothing about it, but I seriously doubt 370,000 people signed something saying that they agree. Silence is neither an affirmative nor a negative. And the whole of IEEE agreeing for all does not say anything unless all 370,000 members voted that way.

So both sides have their bad apples. People tend to simplify the world to make it more manageable. Seems to be almost an instinctual habit. The world is not black and white. The world is not "with us or against us". Over-simplification is one of humanity's biggest flaws. We live in an analog world, not a digital one.

Good luck, man. I hope your new beliefs are the correct ones.

Firestone said...

So there still is hope for mankind ... :)

I admire your courage and wish you well in your activism.

Bleepless said...

Congratulations on using your brains. You got your honor back.

Rich Casebolt said...

On the other hand, you have some people who believe in the official story that like to dodge info and attack the person rather than the information.

Understand that this form of response can also come from people who are tired of the "Yeah, but!" ad nauseaum that comes from the True Believers as point after point of their Belief is debunked ... but like the Energizer bunny, they keep going and going ...

********************

Regarding motives of the Truthers:

In addition to the desire for fame and fortune on the part of the "leadership", the Truther narrative has spread because is highly appealing to those who believe (often because that is all they have been taught) that they have NO power to change their life situation outside of collective action.

It reinforces the idea that there is a Grand Corporate/Theocratic Conspiracy that is imposing its will upon ordinary people ... and holding them back from getting what they deserve out of life.

It also allows the True Believer to join in the rush of "speaking (the secret) Truth to Power" ... even though the "Truth" in this case is highly fictional.

Let me pose a question, from someone who grew up in the MidWest and saw how one man with one store grew his business in the communities around me, into the world's largest retail concern:

If corporations/corporate leaders have the kind of power alleged in the Truther narrative, then how did Sam Walton ...

... and Michael Dell, Steve Jobs/Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, Herb Kellerher, along with many others ...

... come from nowhere to STEAL the customers from highly-established corporations like Sears, IBM, American Airlines, and United Airlines?

Think about it.

beakerkin said...

Welcome back to reality. The real truth is the 9-11 conspiracy nuts are mostly filled with bigotry.

Cranks take an inconsistent minor point and build a conspiracy mostly on their own bigotries. We see this with Holocaust deniers and other rabid dogs.

Fact: To date no bags of salted snacks were recovered at Ground Zero. This proves that the Klingons who love salted snacks but are too cheap to go to buy them were the culprits on 9-11.

The Sicilians had a saying two peoplem could keep a secret if one is dead. The paranoid style of everyone is in on the conspiracy is Elmer Fudd like.

Joseph said...

Thank God.

Someone out there finally got the Silverstein quote right: He was trying to say that saving an unsalvageable building was not worth further risk to the lives of those firemen.

And even in that quote which the trannies (my favored term; they have not earned "truthers") love so dearly, Silverstein clearly specifies that the chief fireman made the decision.

I have been around the conspiracy subculture since the 1980s, and I have never seen it fall to such depths. There is indeed a covert world out there, but the current crop of plot-spotter buffs will never get anywhere near it.

In fact, they provide cover for it. The buffs prefer outlandish myths to the pursuit of parapolitics.

There seems to be a version of Gresham's law at work -- bad conspiracy theories invariably drive out good ones.

Things sure have changed since the 1980s.

Goodbye, Jim Hougan: Hello, Alex Jones. Goodbye, Kevin Coogan: Hello Tom Flocco. Goodbye, Dick Russell: Hello, Jim Fetzer. Goodbye, Jim DiEugenio: Hello, Michael Collins Piper. Goodbye "Covert Action Information Bulletin": Hello, "Paranoia" magazine.

By today's standards, the "wild" conspiratologists of yore -- Lyndon LaRouche, Mae Brussell -- would be considered conservative fuddy duddies.

I hope there are at least few guys out there like me -- guys who are open to the study of parapolitics, but who maintain some standards of evidence and a keen respect for scientific consensus.

Thomas said...

mike , you have one thing going for you that so many dont: integrity!

Its nice to see people admit when they are wrong!

Anonymous said...

Kudos Mike.

I know what it is like to walk out of a fog like that.

Having been taken in by a movement based on misrepresentation, and having pulled yourself out of it, is going to serve you well. When it comes around again in some other disguise, you'll see it a mile away.

It takes a HUGE man to post what you did.

Peace.

Anonymous said...

It takes a HUGE man to post what you did.

I agree. It would have been so easy to walk away and pretend it never happened.

Well done, Mikey.

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Anonymous said...

you were never a truth seeker.
you were always a sheep.
being shepharded towards an opinion.
9/11 is...
9/11 isn't...

enjoy your sleep.
i hear counting sheep is a great way of staying with the flock.

Tampa Rob said...

Isn't it interesting how people who disagree with "THE TRuth" movement are considered "SHEEP" or we are all "ASLEEP" to what is going on around us..? It is MY contention that the "SHEEP" here are clearly the "truthers". They are being led around by the rings in their noses/eyebrows/lips/tongues, or wherever they are, by individuals obviously trying to make a buck at their expense and the expense of the REAL TRUTH. That TRUTH is: THAT there are more dangerous people outside our country than in it. Again, I just think it is easier for them to believe in a corrupt government than it is to believe that MILLIONS of people want them DEAD!!! Now I ask.... WHOs head is in the sand... The Truthers or a free thinking world that considers ALL options and SCIENCE!!!! then makes RATIONAL decisions based on FACTS not theories by individuals seeking only one truth...: How large is the size of their bank accounts.

Anonymous said...

To Tampa Rob: Um, you obviously missed his point. "9/11 is... 9/11 isn't" meaning both sides have tons of sheep being led towards an opinion. You prove his point by spouting Fox/Rush hate generalizing people who have questions as punks who pierce and tat themselves. Just a reminder, racism is bred from generalization. The world isn't black and white. One who is not a sheep would know that both sides spout their fair share of bullsh!t and can sift through it to come to their own opinion. One who questions nothing truly is a sheep.

patrick cm said...

Ya Alex Jones is so rich like david Rockefeller ROFL.

Alex Jones had benefited more from 9/11 than the military industrial complex LOL.

patrick cm said...

tampa rob "by individuals obviously trying to make a buck at their expense and the expense of the REAL TRUTH"

Lol

Try watching the Money Masters.

The people making money off 9/11 is not Alex Jones you doofus, it's the Military Industrial Complex that sponsors all the rides at disney world, because relvoution starts in the mind of a child. Yes teh same military industrial complex eisenhower warned us about but we didn't pay attention because football was on.

chatiez said...

Thanks for this awesome entry

Tampa Rob said...

Oh yes of course "THE EVIL MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX"!!!! dah da duuunnnnn...!!!

The same MIC that provides all the planes, ships, trucks, submarines, weapons and blankets to our military. That same military that provides protection for everyone on this forum to spout what ever they want.. TRUTH or not with out retrobution. The same military that protects you from random car bombings that nowe take place all over the world. Not to mention it is the same MIC that provides jobs for millions of hardworking Americans both white collar and mostly blue collar workers all over this country. It is the ONE industry that has abandoned this country and not farmed out to mexico or china... Wake up... Industry will focus its attention on what ever is profitable and stable. This country needs stuff for its military to succeed and SOMEONE will step up to fill that need. The MIC is the tail of this dog... the government and military is the dog and tells the tail what to do... Or in this case what it wants or needs.. The MIC does not make policy, does NOT make treaties or WARs. It wants to make money for their stock holders. Oh and less some of you have not heard almost ALL of the companies in the DEADED MIC.. are publicaly traded stocks that can be bought by anyone. Including you patrick.. Think of it patrik you too can become part of the ALL powerful Military Industrial complex... Da duh DUUUNNNNN!!!

Whos the doofus now... patrik?? Thats right its you!!!

Tamap Rob said...

sorry correction above meant to say NOT Abandoned this country...

Need to start proof reading before sending..

Anonymous said...

So you know, the MIC or "Military Industrial Complex" does not just refer to the contractors, Tampa Rob. The MIC is the term for the very close relationship between military, industrial, and political sectors. Eisenhower, one of the first to coin the phrase here in America, used the term to warn us of the necessity, yet danger, of it. He also meant to include legislative or congressional influence in the MIC (which was originally called the Military Industrial Congressional Complex) but, under pressure from Congress, didn't include it.

And some more corrections, the armed forces do not keep terrorists from blowing up cars in our country, that is the job of the local police, CIA, and FBI. The armed forces have nothing to do with that. They are purely a defensive force (though that is quite debatable, especially of late).

Also, the military DOES "farm out". They have contractors... hence the "I" in MIC. Quite a bit actually. As many soldiers as there are in Iraq, there are as many contractors. 50% of those contractors being armed and most doing jobs normally only soldiers would do.

The only ones stepping up to ANYTHING in the MIC are the men and women who serve. The contractors are businesses making money. They're NOT stepping up to anything... other than making a profit. It is misleading and wreckless to spout off like the contractors are Christian Children's Fund.

Eisenhower was right to warn us about the MIC. The MICC, as he called it, DOES MAKE POLICY, DOES MAKE TREATIES, AND DOES MAKE WAR. Eisenhower saw the possibility for corruption within the MIC and warned us. With SO MANY of those private companies within the MIC with such close ties to members of congress and members of the executive branch, he was 100% right to warn us about it.

I could care less what side of the 9/11 story you are on. I myself am in the middle. But I suggest you find another source for your information before you make an even bigger fool of yourself on a forum that has a wider audience. I only pray that you don't say this stuff in public.

patrick cm said...

i'll make it simple for you rob


The military industry sponsoring the war on terrror, creating the profit margin that will last forever, the crusades and vietnam stand blasted together, and you beleiving whatever.

Anonymous said...

thanks for the post. I wonder how many ex-Truthers will start to "come out" and talk about the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's unfortunate that many fall for the snake oil salesman's claims inside the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Anonymous said...

Wow. So someone becomes a Truther on flimsy evidence without doing any real research, probably for emotional reasons... THEN, when it gets old and boring, and the emotional reasons for being a Truther are gone, you do an about face again without any research, just relying on the bloggers on the other side.... what a jerkbag.

the comment that NO engineers or professionals agree with the 9/11 truth movement is ridiculous. there are literally 100s. patriotsquestion911.com... ae911truth.org.
there are only a handful of government and media scientists backing the official version by distorting the views of truthers. the rest just go about their lives without looking into the issue.

this comment shows you haven't done the slightest bit of actual research from either perspective, truther or ex-truther.

second, there are at least 4 or 5 independent video clips showing firefighters and police evacuating the surrounding area in anticipation of a collapse of building 7. building is coming down, building is about to explode, etc.

those are just the 2 bits that stood out of your post as i skimmed through some of it.

ex-truther is a obviously a weak minded guy with emotional issues driving his 'beliefs' this way then that way, and he's making a public spectacle of himself with his 'issues' on display (friggin internet!), but his comments have no bearing on either side of the 911 debate.

Anonymous said...

I consider myself, not a truther, but someone who questions the official story. I believe two planes hit the WTC and I don't believe demolition was planted. but what about the pentagon? No airplane could have flown at those altitudes maneuvering the way even the released 5 frame video showed. Not a single piece of luggage is recovered? No 757 parts that would have serial numbers traced to the supposed airplane? Show me how a 757 flies perfectly parallel to the ground for over 1000 yards while less than 10 feet off the ground without leaving a single trace on the ground and then completely incinerates nearly the entire airplane yet some recovered parts have no burn marks whatsoever. Shelves sitting directly inside the collapsed portion with books open sitting just as they did before. The 757 should have had enough fuel left onboard to burn up paper I would think.

I would prefer to believe the official story, but find that it is harder to believe some of the official ones over the conspiracies sometimes.

The government could debunk all truthers by releasing a few videotapes. Why don't they?

Conspiracies or not, questions remain unanswered and as long as they aren't, conspiracies will continue to arise and fall.

Anonymous said...

I am okay with you feeling and thinking whatever you do, it is your life.

To begin with I will tell you I have watched both Screw movies mentioned, I have read debunking sites, and I have debated people that quote these and people who say they are ex-truthers.

I have read about half of that guy's blog entry and I can tell you now either he doesn't know what he's talking about or he is flat out lying. Just one example is that Screw Loose Change tears apart each CT one at a time. This is not true...watch it yourself and see what you think. Another thing is this statement "No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers." I invite him and you and anyone else to go here: http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

This page lists some of these non-existent engineers.

Further, this guy states we somehow misrepresent the "pull it" from Larry "Pull It" Silverstein. I believe I know what Larry is saying and I believe it sounds like he is saying to pull down the building, sorry...but this supposed born again plugged in zombie cannot label me as a liar. He also makes it sound like we somehow imply or state the firefighters are involved in a cover-up. Where does he get this?

This guy is a turd, one way or another...sorry.

Maybe we should have a movie night where we show Screw Loose Change and then have an open debate with him or someone who proclaims to be an ex-truther or a born again zombie or whatever you'd call them.

I have run across a couple people like this guy when arguing in youtube video comments, but it is clear to me that they are always from groups that did not know their buttholes from Uranus and were just following what others had said without researching themselves. Thus, eventually they were easily persuaded again by an anti-truth view point. So, this is why people need to investigate themselves, this is also why we should not fear watching and reading debunking material to understand where there may be answers to some questions and also where there is resistance to what we as individuals have come to realize there is a missing puzzle piece.

Eric said...

Thank you for putting into so many words what many people try to. I always felt that 911 truth often time detracts from real issues that need to be addressed.

Anonymous said...

You mean real issues like the FACT that our government lets or helps facilitate attacks on our own citizens to scare them into wars?

Geezus, what could be more important?

I am sorry, but eventually people will know and understand in larger numbers. If you actually research you will easily discover a lot about Pearl Harbor which was never taught to you in school, as well as every war America has been in since at least WWI. Take the time to research, come to you own conclusions. Do not believe me or this born-again zombie or anyone else without checking out the facts and FOIA PDFs on your own.

Anonymous said...

no, no...wait...omg...

This guy is right. I can't think and research on my own...he's right, everything is right in the world. The fact that the FBI was caught on tape telling the 1993 WTC bomber informant to supply the bombers with real bombs does NOT actually mean the FBI has any responsibility. The fact that there were at least 3 bombs at the OKC bombing but 99% of America believes there was only 1 means nothing...it really was just a lone McVeigh with a Ryder truck and some help before hand...no other bombs here, move along...

The fact that the Pentagon's surface to air missile batteries failed all at the same time on 9/11 (I guess, it is not like anyone from the Pentagon has explained why they didn't fire) means nothing!

Etc. and so on...yes, it is all lies...the Gulf of Tonkin admissions that the events were hyped and fabricated to give an excuse for war means nothing here. The Operation Northwoods document that has many elements of the 9/11 attack in it means nothing.

You are all safe from your government and all of the bad guys are foreigners, that's right...go kill the foreigners...

*rolls eyes*

Kristian said...

Seems to me that you shoulda done your research before getting involved. You've been introduced to the ugly side of the TM, and now you doubt everything. Good. Now you can see both sides. That is where true wisdom comes from.

I would advise you not to dis-respect truthers though. Just because you now can see that the world isn't like Alex Jones says, or Loose Change, doesn't mean that parts of what they say aren't true.

You have to come to grips with the realities of the world.

The bottom line? Who did 9/11? You don't know. I don't know. That's the problem.

That's why we need a new investigation.

Anonymous said...

Here is a small bit of research, a transcript (you can also find the video of this) of an interview with Lee Hamilton, one of the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission. He plays down problems with the commission at times but when pressed reveals damaging information that clearly shows they did not succeed in creating a report that was the result of a full and complete or even factual investigation and he further reveals that the commission was misled, blocked, underfunded and did not have enough time.

http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/911hamilton.html

Anonymous said...

How did more than 600 bone fragments get on top of the Deutche Bank Building at 1300 Liberty Street? Oh that's right, the bodies flying at 500 MPH in that 767 did one of those "Screwloosechange dramatic screech to a halts with TV test patterns" then reversed directions and fell 40 stories behind. Oh I'm sure your new pals can give you a brilliant explanation that your simple mind will buy.

Lopakhin said...

Anonymous: Here is a small bit of research, a transcript (you can also find the video of this) of an interview with Lee Hamilton, one of the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission. He plays down problems with the commission at times but when pressed reveals damaging information that clearly shows they did not succeed in creating a report that was the result of a full and complete or even factual investigation and he further reveals that the commission was misled, blocked, underfunded and did not have enough time.

To be more precise, he says that they were underfunded at the start, but: 'We needed more, we got more, but it took us a while to get it.'

He also says, 'I think we’ve been reasonably successful in telling the story.' Not the impression you'd get from your description of the interview.

Anonymous said...

Dude, I have to give it up to you for following what your heart tells you to do, but I hope you recognize the implications of what you are saying for yourself.

You cite 9/11 Mysteries and Loose Change - two of the worst representations of reasons to question the official account of 9/11 - as the reasons why you started to question 9/11.

Now, you're citing other documentary films as your resource for why you don't believe it anymore. This doesn't exactly prove anything other than you are easily persuaded by film.

I've been to 9/11myths and other debunking cites, have read the commission report, and the popular mechanics stuff. Some of the points they make are completely valid, however, all of these sources fail to answer key questions about 9/11.

Why were so many intelligence reports either suppressed (Rowley/Edmonds) or dismissed (PDB)?

What was the purpose of the multiple war games scenarios operating on 9/11? Is this not extremely disturbing?

Why was the Bush Administration originally opposed to an independent investigation?

Why was Bush allowed to give his testimony behind closed doors with no transcript made and accompanied not by lawyers but Dick Cheney?

Why did the administration claim that they had never considered planes as weapons crashing into buildings, as it was not true.

Why was Bush allowed to remain reading "my pet goat" when there were hijacked planes in the air tht could have used him as a target, thus endangering the lives of the children?

The physical evidence of controlled demolition is vast, but it is also possible that it is not the truth. The collapse of building 7, and its omission from the Commission report , are extremely difficult to explain (We have yet to receive NIST's final report on this issue)

Overall, there are still many questions that must be answered, Mike. I don't know you personally, but given that you are here saying that you want to be as open minded as possible, lets consider the hard evidence of complicity, not just the sexy controlled demolition theory.

If you want to understand more of why you should not relent in questioning the event of 9/11, read Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert, read Debunking 9/11 Debunking by David Ray Griffin, and if film really is the best way to get to you, watch 9/11: Press for Truth made by 9/11 widows who still to this day question the official story of 9/11.

Above all, don't give up thinking. Keep searching for answers.

gOdOfMiScHiEf said...

I hear ya. I mean I was trashing this administration, and supporting the truth movement back before it was cool or trendy.

Now it's filled with people looking for attention and making a buck from their crazy theories (which don't hold water).

A shame because America owes it to ourselves to find out what happened and how we can prevent it from happening again... but with these crazies running loose... it ain't gonna happen.

Anonymous said...

One of these days when people actually acquire some intelligence they will realize that people like Alex Jones, Loose Change, and others out there and their information they provide are the real strawmen and that the official story is still a lie but they are just telling other lies than we will begin to get somewhere. Leaving those "camps" are a good idea but going back to the other easily debunkable story, the official one, is not going to do any good either..

Prothink said...

WWW.PROTHINK.ORG

Anonymous said...

All you people saying "I'm in the middle", there is no middle ground on "9/11 Truth". There is correct, and there is incorrect. It's tantamount to saying that "I'm in the middle" on whether or not the Earth orbits the sun. It's simply an indicator that you don't care.

As for our ex-truther friend, welcome back to the world of the living. You're going to get a lot of -probably deserved- hate, but this is an excellent step.

Anonymous said...

"No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers."

Ummmm.... my father is a structural and civil engineer (35 years of work experience) and his first reaction to the events was that planes and jet fuel alone could not have accounted for the total destruction of three steel-framed buildings.

Making a statement like the one I've quoted does nothing for your credibility: "No civil engineers agree with the 'truthers'".... because you say so?

Finally, I have to wholeheartedly agree with "anonymous'" post above on November 1, 2007 6:56 PM:

There is so much circumstantial evidence pointing to government cover-up at least, and complicity at worst, that it's impossible not to question the official story and the government's motives.

Circumstantial evidence may not be enough to satisfy the burden of proof and convict a criminal, but that in no way diminishes the strength of that evidence to help truth seekers form an educated opinion about what is really going on.

9.11TruthLA said...

Michael, I know I don't speak for everyone when I say that THIS Truther respects your "change of heart." But I simply don't understand why you've chosen to withdraw from the movement entirely.

Truth be told, I'm still not entirely bought on CD of WTC. And that's not why I started to question the official conspiracy theory either: 9/11 Press for Truth is an excellent film, and has withstood the test of time, unlike the ones you mentioned, which definitely have their problems.

"Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false." If you still believe there are inconsistencies, which you said there are, why not just repudiate Alex Jones and his fellow profiteers? You wouldn't be the first Truther to do so! One way of doing that would be to hand out 9/11 Press for Truth instead of that other crap.

Anyway, I'll conclude by suggesting you clarify your position: you admit there are inconsistencies in the official 9/11 conspiracy, yet you will, from now on, ignore those? Is that a fair assessment of your stance? I know I'm sorry to see such an impassioned activist go. I still believe that deep down you don't buy the official story, and that's why it's a damned shame you're allowing quacks like Alex Jones, etc., to kill that flame in you--you sure as hell don't need people like that to tell you that the American people need a new investigation. And just remember there is a camp in the movement that simply doesn't have answers to the anomalies and wants an independent, serious inquiry (less "sexy" than those who proclaim to have these salacious answers.) Good luck to you Michael.

Eric said...

The interesting thing about one of these so called 'independent' investigations is the twoofers have no idea who they would put in charge of it.

And honestly who is going to fund it?

What made the NIST who has no immediate government, contracted work out as well, and has qualifications out the wazzoo to investigate this NOT an independent investigation.

The idea of calling for an independent investigation is the lazy twoofers way of saying, 'well we just dont like the answers we go' without being able to back up the assertions.

No one is stopping a single twoofer from doing their own investigations, just look at Jones, hard at work making sure that he doesnt follow the scientific method, not providing a chain of custody for his sample, and not allowing his papers to be peer reviewed; from doing his own investigations.

The problem with Jones is he has no credibility.

So who do you turn to? Why the experts, and when you turn to the experts, what you find is that not one of them agrees with the twoofers.

Yet they want another investigation, ... and when that investigation doesnt reveal what they want to hear.. what then? Oh well that one wasn't independent enough.... see this guy here... he has government ties.

:eye roll:

It goes on and on, what twoofers who are on the fringe of realizing that the Twoof movement is dead, have to realize is that their so called movement is not looking for answers, its just looking for the answers it wants to hear.

patrick cm said...

hey eric, what makes you think that people who can blow up towers in front of everyone and get away with , suddenly have a hard time destroying a persons credibility?

Eric said...

Hey Patrick, could you provide some evidence to back up your assertion that they were blown up ?

You know... something physical... tangible... that will stand up in a court of law.

I mean honestly, the government destroyed someones credibility? Well cant help it if Griffin only has a degree in the History of Science, or James Fetzer is only a theologian, or Jones having the inability to be peer reviewed.

Clearly it was the government out to destroy them. Griffin was led down the path of his liberal arts degree by the evil gubmint right?

Outside forces conspired to make sure that Jones never submitted his work for peer review.... right?

Dylan Avery got rejected from film school cause the government did it.


Judy Wood believes in lasers from outer space cause ... the government made her do it.

I guess you do not believe in such words as personal responsibility. But we'll touch on that in a soon to be done post about your moral cowardice.

patrick cm said...

lol but doesn't the government take away personal responsibility?

what about the police in montreal that got caught posing as anarchists and trying to throw rocks at cops to start a riot and break up a peacefull protest of the north american union? What did that not happen now? lol

man do have any more jokes you can post.

patrick cm said...

oh ya eric, maybe you could find evidence that bin laden did it, you knwo, the kind that holds up in a court of law

Eric said...

You mean like the video tape confession?

Yeah... I think that will hold up just nicely. :)

Your turn now...

Eric said...


what about the police in montreal that got caught posing as anarchists and trying to throw rocks at cops to start a riot and break up a peacefull protest of the north american union? What did that not happen now? lol


you mean undercover cops?

Course the rest of the allegations are pretty false, and again ... no evidence to back up that they were instigating anything.

But here again... you read what you want to read and only gleam parts of it. The Quebec PD admitted they had under cover cops in the crowd. Of course no evidence of them instigating any sort of violence though.

Tch Patrick, you're getting easier to put down.

patrick cm said...

i guess you read the press report and ignored the video, how ignorant of you

Eric said...

i guess you read the press report and ignored the video, how ignorant of you

Would you mean the video designed to make them look bad? Coming from a communications background, I'm much more aware then you of how images can easily manipulate perceptions.

But there is you though... a prime example of what happens to gullible people.

Course if you have some evidence that they were, perhaps you could take them to court right?

*looks forward to Patrick weaseling some more*

patrick cm said...

lol wow eric , court is your anwser to everything isn't it. oh it wasn't in court? well it's not true then LOLOLOLOL

patrick cm said...

hey what about the court case involving MK-Ultra?

Eric said...

The one regarding Jonestown? Filed by the children of Leo Ryan? That was dismissed.

As for the other one that I know of, regarding the US Marshall seems more like he was trying to avoid taking responsibility for his actions.

I think you just read about MK Ultra a few days ago and its now your new go to thing.

Eric said...
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patrick cm said...

Montreal Court Case Nabs CIA for Illegal Mind-Control Experimentation
Posted in the database on Wednesday, December 14th, 2005 @ 14:05:32 MST (253 views)
by Greg Szymanski The Arctic Beacon



More than 250 unsuspecting patients eligible for compensation, according to Canadian ruling. Critics of CIA-funded mind control programs call attention to the fact they are still going on today, as referenced in declassified documents calling attention to sinister operations called Bluebird/Artichoke and MKULTRA.

A barbaric CIA-backed brainwashing experiment, used on innocent people, was at the bottom of a Montreal court decision last year, allowing 250 patients the right to seek compensation for unwillingly taking part in a sinister mind-control program.

Eric said...

Annnndd?

I keep waiting for your punch line but you never quite deliver. You just say well these people were victims of a CIA experiment.

Great. fine.

Which again proves what?

That they brainwashed Oswald?

*faceplants*

The least you could do would be to provide a small bit of evidence to back it up.

patrick cm said...

oh ya go back to sleep, they are trying to control your mind, but don't worry they can't lo0k at you hahaha you too smart for em man, you bad you bawd.

David Slesinger said...

If you want to show weaknesses in the arguments by 911 skeptics, you need to counter David Ray Griffin's Debunking 911 Debunking.

Ultimately, the Mineta teatimony, the Hess and Jennings comments, and the symmetrical collapse of WTC 7 cannot be wiped away.

Anonymous said...

Damn, dude you owned us with all that info!
Are you serious?! You watched Screw Loose Change?! Seriously, man?!
Your entire post details NOTHING and shows us NO facts that were changed...it's just a lil kid quoting ICP and calling people names like a baby.
The only "Facts" you bring up is how there are NO architects and engineers on the 9/11 truth side.

WWW.AE911TRUTH.ORG

Owned.

You're a clown. Keep playing "Shaggy 2 Dope" hahahahaha.

jdc324 said...

"The only 'Facts' you bring up is how there are NO architects and engineers on the 9/11 truth side."

Um, doesn't that tell you something Anonymous? If there was some substance to your conspiracy theories about how the towers fell wouldn't at least some architects and/or engineers have thought "hang on a minute, these wacko nutjobs might have a point - it was odd the way those towers fell"?

And if Jason Bermas thinks the firefighters were paid off then he's not just an idiot, he's an offensive prick too.

Nice work Mike.

Anonymous said...

Quotes like "There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement" and "No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers." clearly show that you indeed are an ex-truther, and that you are now promoting something entirely different than the truth.

Anonymous said...

haha, this is funny - 911 truth really has nothing to do with anything. If you want a better perspective of the lie.

Watch Zeitgeist movie:

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Now, it really doesn't matter if demolition was in the building or the planes were remote controlled. There is one truth that is so fucking obvious that if you can't figure it out - you are an idiot.

The CIA, the secretive organizations that go around planning terrorist attacks around the world had something to do with 911 because the fucking supposed terrorists were trained to fly planes by them! It is a part of the official record. Believing that our government is so ridiculously and absolutely inept is harder to believe than them aiding or purposely allowing it to happen when they were warned over 70 times by FBI agents.

You are a fucking tool bag. The truth movement is garbage because there are people trying to make money off it - but that still doesn't mean that the government isn't controlled by corporations that are looking to make a profit off your consumption and war profits.

Anonymous said...

no engineers???? what about this website put together by over 300 architects and engineers.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
and as for the guy who claims he is an engineer and would like to tear a truther "limb from limb" LOL to you sir. I would bet my life you are a p*ssy

the_last_name_left said...

good luck to you!

I'm impressed you put your old embarassments up for ridicule.

I think I've made something of the same journey as you........

So you might be interested in looking into something too-often overlooked about 911 Troof : its infiltration and exploitation by fascism.

It's an interesting tale.......and one that gets you banned from all good Troofer outlets.......

freedom of speech, my arse.......

Anonymous said...

the_last_name_left,

Do you know what fascism is and could you please elaborate with more information?

Anonymous said...

Finally!

Someone who has woken up. I agree also with your assessment that avery and the rest are simply using 9/11 as a cash cow.

It is quite possible they don't even believe any of what they are spouting

Well done to you! Too many idiots who will never wake up, it is the same with jfk too

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TheGodfather said...

Mike, I commend you for telling the truth. It is a virtue that few still hold. It takes quite a bit of courage to come out and tell the truth something you created. Thank you for being honest and good luck in your future endeavors in the blogosphere.

Anonymous said...

Way to go, better get back to grazing.

Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Anonymous said...

I just checked out this site as per earlier comment suggested and yeah http://www.ae911truth.org/ has a lot of information coming from engineers.
Maybe you should take a look at this site and have your say.

Anonymous said...

"There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement"

FACT #1: Bush lied.
FACT #2: Cheney lied.
FACT #3: Rumsfeld lied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-6A59qzAU

Move along nothing to see here.

TheGodfather said...

Anonymous, those statements are OPINIONS, not facts. And they aren't exclusive to the "9-11 popularity movement" either.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous, those statements are OPINIONS, not facts."

I only posted one video there are plenty more around.

I guess you would like them to come on national t.v. an officially announce that they lied. Oh, how nice that would be for you. But you go ahead and keep believing the crooks, if it helps you sleep at night. Me and plenty of others know better and wont be fooled.

Anonymous said...

Hey what do you expect, you live in a capitalist society half the books at the local shop have their own twist on history, people pay out and soak it up. History needs straightening out and people need to love each other more.

Chaz said...

Its always wise to study both sides and all aspects of any issues or event this impacting.

Anonymous said...

A sad blog this. I'm afraid the burden of proof is on the Bush administration, and all they've done is impede investigation into 9/11. Only the naive would believe that such a coordinated assault didn't have inside support. This isn't some religious belief. When Bush opens up the classified files and media and fully cooperates with an independent investigation, then we can have intelligent discussion about 'facts'.

love2hatecelebs said...

I know a fact that has not been mentioned here.

2 people wait 3 people fore fore told of 9/11 almost exactly as it happened and who the gov would say did it

Bill Cooper
Alex Jones
John Oneil

That alone tells me that someone inside our government or somewhere knew about the 9/11 attacks and both John Oneil and Bill Cooper are now dead. One died in the wtc and the other got shot in the head on his front lawn by federal and local agents about one month after Sept.11.

This fact alone tells me there was foreknowledge.

The rest of evidence can all be distorted.

I agree in that I do not think we will ever know the truth as everyone involved has different agendas.

The people who were involved were sneaky liars so any info that comes out about them or whoever we think it is cant be trusted.

Those that claim to know about who did it cant be trusted either as they have their own personal agendas.

We all can agree on one thing, it happened it was awful and we can each try to understand it in the best way that we can.

I do not think making movies on your opinion of the way things happened is a bad idea.

It is freedom of speech.

Almost everything in life is an opinion.

Just watch out whose opinions you are spreading.

that is my opinion.

at least you were doing something. your intentions were good and in my opinion thats all that matters.

peace

love2hatecelebs said...

Just because you changed your mind does not make 9/11 happen the way our government says it happened.

FACT
9/11 firefighters and first responders are still dying without health care.

Any articles or info really after 9/11 can not be trusted.

The people who did this were powerful and if it was our govt they would put out tons of dis info in the regular press to throw everyone off. I do not believe any of it.

What I do know is 3 people

Bob Cooper
Alex Jones
John Oneil

all said that there was going to be a terror event involving planes crashing into buildings in the very near future and the govt story was that it was going to be Osama Bin Laden.

Then that is exactly what happened.

John Oneil died in the WTC and Bob Cooper was shot in the head on his front lawn by federal and local agents.
Alexs forecasting as well as Bob Coopers can be found on youtube.

Foreknowledge is an indicator to me that people knew. If these low level radio guys knew why didn't our government?

If it was terrorists and our government was a colossal failure who in our government is responsible? We have not had any trials for government officials involved so we can not know until we have full criminal investigations and trials. and even then who knows

2nd the first responders are dying because they were told the air was safe to breathe. John Feal started the Feal Good Foundation to help get medical treatment for the uninsured.

The 9/11 truth movement is not all conspiracy people. I am for helping the families and getting them the answers that they have about 9/11 and I am for getting the firefighters health care. that is it.

I as one person can not think I know who did it or really believe almost any information coming out. They all have their agendas.

Info about 9/11 can make you a little nutty as it is so overwhelming however I hope you do not abandon the first responders and the families as they still need his help.

I find if you focus on the tangible which is the families and the realities of their sicknesses you can actually do good and it not be about huge government coverups.

It is about real people who have been injured and damaged and have died from this awful tragedy.

Put your efforts into helping people and I am sure you will feel better.

Maybe dedicate this site to the first responders. Help them with med bills, start scholarship funds etc...

Get busy helping them out. Help the families out do some charity work for their kids.

Blathering on about how you do not believe a whole bunch of contradicting evidence does not help anybody anywhere.

You are just switching a ridiculous notion that 9/11 was an inside job for another ridiculous notion that it was not an inside job.

both will become an endless strive for truth that will never ever satisfy you

TRY ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE instead of being an investigator.

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad I found this site. My Brother has recently bought into this over the last couple years and no matter what evidence I show him to the contrary, he says i'm brainwashed from the real truth.

I hope I can turn him around. His way of thinking scares me sometimes.

Anonymous said...

there's enough official lying to suggest there's some cover-up. i'm no engineer, but a hypothetical collapse of a building with a solid core would follow the line of least resisance and not fall all at once in the direction of MOST resistance but one side would collapse, or it would collapse over one side, leaving at least the core standing. the whole alternative scenario is absurd, but worthy of consideration. however the introduction of exaggerated absurdities leads us to dismiss all absurdities. don't get taken in by "zeitgeist" and full-fledged conspiracy. but intentional and measured plots are in play.

Anonymous said...

hey, i am glad to hear your story. I hope your blog helps many others in the so called truthmovement to finally understand that they are victims of a scam. after seven years this movement hasn't moved anything, except some money to the accounts of the people ahead.

Anonymous said...

perhaps it wasn't all a conspiracy. however there's NO doubt that something's covered-up, there's no doubt that there's lies and inconsistencies. perhaps they conceal classified information or some degree of criminal activity or mere ineptness. perhaps bin laden's an agent, or perhaps going into iraq was indeed criminal, or perhaps george w. is simply an idiot. perhaps conspiracy theory is the exponential effect of resisting "truthers'" attempts to stake out the extent of the cover-up.

Anonymous said...

Well, I got to reading this with a genuine open mind and then got to this paragraph:

"No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's?"

Obviously you are fraud Mike. Any 9/11 Truther who knows his stuff knows about Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (ae911truth.org), which has over 500 structural engineers and architects have signed on for a new investigation because of the problems with the official version of how the buildings' collapsed.

Who are you trying to kid?

You sound like an angry, bitter kid who through lack of intellect and personal integrity have gone the easy route and bought the fabricated lies of a bankrupt, corrupt, evil system.

Enjoy the blue pill while you can.

JBrown said...

So how do you explain the collapse of your economy? you are defeated, no matter what, and now, all you have is them. you better hope they fix this "crisis" LOL you have no future

Anonymous said...

You truthers clearly know nothing about science or engineering. Yes, some scientists and engineers are truthers, but fee if any of them specialize in anything that gives them any good authority to speak on this matter. Not to mention that they are still such a small minority it's ridiculous.

But what do I know, Im just a real expert.

Anonymous said...

Fee should say "few"

love2hatecelebs said...

3 people predicted 9/11 was going to happen 2 on video and one is an fbi agent that ended up dying in the trade center another radio person who predicted this event was shot to death on his front property.

yeah ok everythings fine...dont look into why 2 of the predictors of 9/11 are dead

These people predicted osama bin laden was going to be blamed for flying planes into the wtc.

One radio personality told listeners to call their gov official and let them know that if they try and pull this 9/11 event off we wil know who is responsible.

THERE WERE PREDICTIONS!!!!! foreknowledge!!!!!

also people were called and told not to fly that day.

everything is fine go back to sleep

i do not know who was responsible for 9/11 but the families that are left deserve our respect and they deserve healthcare.

want to help the first responders who are still suffering?

The Feal Good Foundation is a good place to start.

sabalo said...

To the Truthers:

If you truly believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy, you need to bring the evidence to court to present a rational argument to your peers. I've looked at the data and I see no evidence of a conspiracy.

The burden of truth lies on the accusers. If you believe that the government did this, where is your outrage? Why are you not rioting in the streets? Why are you not taking up arms and fighting a government that would murder so many people so callously?

If I believed that the government was responsible, that's EXACTLY what I'd be doing.

Are you so tolerant of tyranny and evil that you'll allow such a government to continue unmolested?

Andrew Johnson said...

Blimey! "Screw Loose Change" convinced you you were wrong? Wow!

Does Screw Loose Change explain:

1) Dustification of towers by gravity and jet fuel alone?

2) Upside down cars at WTC?

3) Hurricane Erin closest to NYC at 8am on 9/11?

4) Dips in Earth's magnetic field at precise moment of "impact" of 1st plane?

Of course it doesn't explain these things because all the 9/11 "truth" CDers won't talk about these things - at best they just muddle up the facts.

And I think your a victim of that process if antyhing.

Want some facts? Check these 2 sites:

http://www.drjudywood.com/

http://www.checktheevidence.com/

Hmmmm - funny how AE911 truth don't include their evidence in the closest they've come to a "legal challenge" (unlike the people who've done the 2 sites list above.

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=209&Itemid=60

Hey ho....

Anonymous said...

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"Travis, Ancient Wisdom" is a link said...

Hi, Mickey, and happy Birthday again. ^_^

There is no doubt in my mind that The Old World Order is fighting to retain its Corporatocracy.

However, it appears that most 9-11 truthers (I know many at Myspace) have allowed themselves to go nuts seeking demons in every shadow.

When one begins a witch hunt, he often becomes the witch he hunts.

There really is a legitimate reason for all that is going on in the world today. It's the end of The Creation Perfection Cycles.

However, for most this is more over the top than most can reckon.

If you care to give it a stab, click on that "Travis, Ancient Wisdom" is a link, and give it a review.

救援部 said...

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メル友 said...

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出張ホスト said...

女性会員様増加につき、当サイトの出張ホストが不足中です。女性の自宅やホテルに出向き、欲望を満たすお手伝いをしてくれる男性アルバイトをただいま募集していますので、興味のある方はTOPページから無料登録をお願いいたします

家出 said...

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モテる度チェッカー said...

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救援部 said...

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逆援助 said...

メル友募集のあそび場「ラブフリー」はみんなの出逢いを応援する全国版の逆援助コミュニティーです!女の子と真剣にお付き合いしたい方も、複数の女性と戯れたい方も今すぐ無料登録からどうぞ

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プロフ公開 said...

サイト作成は初めてでぇす。プロフは友達も作ってたので私も頑張って作成しました。プロフもってる人はメル友になって見せ合いっこしませんか?メアドのせてるので連絡ください。love-friend0925@docomo.ne.jp

素人 said...

男性が主役の素人ホストでは、女性の体を癒してあげるだけで高額な謝礼がもらえます。欲求不満な人妻や、男性と出逢いが無い女性が当サイトで男性を求めていらっしゃいます。興味のある方はTOPページからどうぞ

家出 said...

これから家出したい少女や、現在家出中の娘とそんな娘と遊びたい人を繋げるSOS掲示板です。家庭内の問題などでやむなく家出している子が多数書き込みしています。女の子リストを見て彼女たちにメールを送ってみませんか

SM度チェッカー said...

あなたのSM度をかんたん診断、SM度チェッカーで隠された性癖をチェック!真面目なあの娘も夜はドS女王様、ツンデレなあの子も実はイジめて欲しい願望があるかも!?コンパや飲み会で盛り上がること間違いなしのおもしろツールでみんなと盛り上がろう

セフレ said...

男性なら一人くらいは作ってみたいセフレですが、実は女性もいつでもSEXしたいときにできる友達がほしいと思っているのです。そのような彼女たちの欲求を満たしてあげませんか

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家出 said...

「家出してるんで、泊まるところないですか?」家出掲示板には毎日このような女の子からの書き込みがされています。彼女たちは家やホテルに泊まらせてあげたり、遊んであげるだけであなたに精一杯のお礼をしてくれるはずです

チェッカー said...

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露出 said...

フツーのプレイじゃ絶対味わえない快感、野外露出プレイ。最初は嫌がっていた女も次第にハマっていって、その内それが快感に変わってきます。野外露出プレイで興奮度アップ

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