Sunday, September 30, 2007

To Noah P. Tefft, cofounder 9/11 Truth UAlbany

Noah P. Tefft said...

Wow, this is quite surprising Mike. In only 48 hours your words are all over the Internet. I am receiving calls and emails asking about you. As a person who also co-founded 9/11 Truth UAlbany with you and someone who also would consider himself a friend of yours, I was shocked that you wrote this.


Hey Noah, nice to finally hear from you. I’m glad you would consider yourself a friend of mine, but last I checked, friends don’t just move across the country without telling anyone. I left you voicemail after voicemail, the later ones just asking if you were all right, but no response until now. I used to jokingly tell Nancy Machold, head of the volunteer office that authorized the college credits we were offering, that you were my top pupil. Well, it genuinely hurt me when you bounced like that.


I felt like a failure as any type of leader. This was just one instance of my constant self-loathing while involved in 9/11 Truth. I don’t think it was just me, either. Since you left, so many other people did too. Always still believing in the movement, just leaving for whatever reason. Glad to know you’re still breathing air. My last memory of you involves you critiquing me for taking shitty pictures on your camera, taking a shot at me for being short.


My question for you is where do you stand now? Do you still support a new investigation? Do you now believe that 19 muslims with box cutters did this? Do you believe everything that you see on TV and in movies? Are you physically capable of forming your OWN opinion? You have me quite confused.

Why is it so hard to believe that 19 hijackers with box cutters did this? What proof did we ever have that says these people didn’t exist, besides long-debunked reports that they were turning up alive?

I don’t believe controlled demolitions are involved. I don’t believe a missile hit the Pentagon. (see pic below) I do believe there was a plane in Shanksville. I don’t believe Larry Silverstein walked away with $4.6 billion for himself. I don’t believe that the FDNY Commissioner told Silverstein that the FDNY was going to “pull” Building 7. I don’t believe that CNN and the BBC had a script. I don’t believe the fact that 19 hijackers with boxcutters did this is so unbelievable.

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Photograph of a body found inside the Pentagon after Flight 77 crashed into the building.

Released in Moussaoui Trial

Are these not the main points of the 9/11 Truth Movement? Demolitions, Building 7, Silverstein, Pentagon Missile, media complicity? I know there’s more, but it’s a bit misleading to sink people in by throwing out these outrageous theories that ignore science, logic, and the blackboxes of the planes, and only then present the “solid” stuff.


What really hurts me the most Mike, is to hear that you "wasted a year of your life". Does that mean that the friendships you made over that year were a waste too? I'd hate to think that. Was it a waste of time for us to work in solidarity with all of those other groups on campus too - The Greens, Killer Coke, Students for Workers Right, etc? Were those nights we hung out at my apartment drinking beers until sunrise discussing how we wanted to make the world a better place for everyone a waste too? If that is so Mike, then you my friend are the one who duped me into believing that you were an intelligent caring human being, capable of making his own decisions, and forming his own rational opinions.

You’re right. The “wasted a year of my life” tagline is not true. But I am a marketing major, so I knew that would get people’s attention. I’m very grateful of all the great people I’ve met and become friends with over the past year. The Albany truthers are a rare breed and I think the vast majority of truthers out there gave us a bad name.

You bring up all the other groups we worked with, but think of it this way: Think of all the time we wasted talking about wacky conspiracy theories on a national and international level, while all these groups were taking real action at the local level? I was on the New York Public Interest Research Group’s (NYPIRG) statewide board of directors before I was convinced to quit altogether because they didn’t tackle “real issues.” I really regret that.

I don’t, however, regret what we built at UAlbany. We were the real deal—truth seekers. I think it’s unfortunate that our guys have invested themselves in 9/11 truth so much. There are so many other issues that coincide with our Constitutional views which we could’ve been working on.


So you disagree with some of the stuff in Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries - I do too, but that doesn't mean that it's all wrong either. It also doesn’t mean that they were trying to “dupe” you, or present lies to make movie sales.

But they are “duping” people. Both movies misquoted people not by accident, but by specifically clipping out things they said that didn’t match their theory. 9/11 Mysteries lied about Silverstein’s “7 billion dollar” payout. Why won’t any truther admit that Silverstein has had to pay $120 million per year rent just to keep the property? Why is profit motive so short-sighted that truthers don’t even ask the obvious question: Doesn’t he have to use that money to rebuild? It’s just “Larry Silverstein made $4.6 billion off of 9/11, period.”

This is just one example. Why can’t 9/11 Mysteries even keep its own story straight? First, it’s obviously an implosion because it fell in its own footprint, then it’s an explosion because debris went flying out due to all the bombs, and then within 10 minutes, they’re back to the implosion with the freefall stuff? The whole film builds up to their theory on the aspects of the demolition, but they’re all out of order and would only have been seconds apart, not the 90 minutes in the case of the WTC. You’d think they’d put in a little more research on how a controlled demolition actually works, but then maybe they wouldn’t have a movie to sell.

If you remember correctly, it was me who urged you all (SUNY Albany Truthers) to watch Screw Loose Change sometime last year. I said that in order to find the truth - whatever that may be - you need to look at every side of the story. You didn’t want to look into anything other than whatever your hero Alex Jones had to say. This movement isn’t “led” by anyone, and we all have different opinions as to what happened on 9/11. For you to blindly follow someone like Alex Jones without looking into both sides is irresponsible anyways. I have issues with the Truth Movement as well at times, and I do my best to address those issues in order to move forward – but throwing out blind attacks will get you nowhere.

I totally forgot you had made that suggestion until I read this. Noah, you were always my favorite truther. But honestly, how many people took your advice? How many people in the movement look outside the truther stuff? If you believe in the truther logic, you can’t look outside because everyone else is in on it.

I did blindly follow Alex Jones and I’m not ashamed to admit it. It was irresponsible and I apologize to you and every other member of our group. The guy is very charismatic, and I’m not the only one who has fallen for his charms. Noah, please don’t be so na├»ve as to believe that there are no leaders. Just look at the WeAreChange event on 9/11/07. I wasn’t there, but I heard about lots of elitism from the usual suspects. Alex Jones will never admit it outright, but come on, he always reminds everyone that he was the first to call it.


For the record, Bermas admitted he was wrong about "The firefighters being paid off", and he apologized as well - 2 years ago - http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/2006/12/message-from-jason-bermas.html

Why to you have such hatred for the Loose Change guys? I think you are hitting below the belt Mike, and that just doesn't seem like the Mikey Metz that I became friends with last year.

And Mike - was this really necessary? -
"Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research." "

Yeah, and instead of just admitting he was wrong, he blamed it on some “jedi mind trick.” Has Dylan apologized for his claims about boxcutters being a complete joke or “let’s roll” being some govt. psy-op to bolster patriotism? Here’s a video with select quotes from the creators. The world is awaiting their apologies.

Watch this whole thing and tell me who’s hitting below the belt: Me or the Loose Change guys?




Are you saying "fuck you" to me as well? I have done my own research as well, and I had been years before I had met you, and long before Loose Change had even been created. My research did not just consist of Infowars archives - it came from all types of sources, mainstream and underground. Shit Mike, I had already read the Debunking the 9/11 Myths put out by Popular Mechanics before YOU had even heard of Loose Change. I told you about 9/11 Myths a long time ago - It's not my fault you didn't want to look at other facts. Perhaps you should have spent less time yelling at traffic through bullhorns, and sat down and did some independent thinking and research.

Noah, you’re an exception. Like I said earlier, the guys we had in Albany are above the rest. A lot of them, like you, have done their research. I’m glad you have looked at the other side, but doesn’t it bother you how much you’ve been misled? Let me restate that, doesn’t it bother you how much your average Joe Truther is being misled? Do you really think all these truthers you see on myspace are looking at both sides?

If this were a real truth movement, why not shed light on the aspects of this theory that have been debunked? Why yell “9/11 was an inside job!” if you’re “just asking questions?” Why not address the 4.6% MIHOPer statistic from the latest poll and try to work on bringing the number up?


What the hell did Dylan and Jason ever do to you? - Oh right, they came out and spoke at our school twice, and they made TONS of money too - Oh wait, no they didn't, they didn't sell anything. They didn't charge us anything - In fact, they brought free copies of Loose Change for everyone who came.

First off, I don’t remember them coming twice. Can you refresh my memory of this second time that you and Dylan both speak of? And you’re right. They didn’t charge a speaking fee and they didn’t sell anything… that night. But what about the 50,000 copies they have sold? (which Dylan admits on the LCF) 50,000 copies x $20 = $1 million. I wonder how much they’ve made on t-shirts.

Couldn’t you see what they were doing? It’s a hard sell to put a price tag on the truth (just ask the WeAreChange kids), so with a video like that, they had to offer the truth for free. This made it spread virally, while making at least a cool mil in the process. Now, they have their names out there and 9/11 Truth groups (or Loose Change street teams, as I like to call them) spreading their message throughout the country.

What was this to lead to? None other than that nationwide theatrical release of Loose Change Final Cut, where truthers would have to pay $10 a ticket for their dose of truth. But we all know what happened with that. Now, they’ll settle for another quick million at least and probably update the “Investigate” shirts to make another buck.


Mike - you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, it is your right to do so. But placing blame on others for your lack of research is inexcusable. If your beliefs are so easily manipulated just by watching a movie or two, then you have real issues, and that would lead me to believe that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. I certainly hope that is untrue, because I always thought that you were a very intelligent person, capable of independent thinking. I’m not sure if you are just angry in general and looking for something or someone to lash out at – but doing so in a manner like this will inevitably get you nowhere.

Well I’m glad you put that “inevitably” in there because my little facebook post is now all over the web. Internet fame wasn’t in mind when I wrote it, just wanted it to reach SLC as a form of thanks. Hell, even you came out of the woodwork over it. I’ve actually been happier than ever since I quit smoking pot. No, I haven’t become a militant ex-smoker. Everyone’s entitled to do what they want, I just didn’t like who I was when I was high. I’m once again taking school seriously and am planning to graduate this December. So, look’s like I’m going somewhere come 2008.


I hope that you continue to search for the truth Mike. I urge you to look beyond dvds and websites either supporting or debunking 9/11 Truth – There is a much bigger picture than just that out there – and the truth is - We may never know what really happened on 9/11, not one of us on either side holds the key to unlocking the “Truth”. That my friend is for you to decide for yourself.

I wish you the best Mike.

Your Friend,
-Noah P. Tefft
Co-Founder 9/11 Truth UAlbany
Truther For Life

Thanks for this, Noah. I hope we can discuss this further in private some day.



Note: Corrected the fact that Silverstein has had to pay $120 million per year. Still waiting for similar corrections from the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Responses, responses

I'd just like to thank everyone for reading my previous post. I'm very grateful for all the kind things everyone had to say.. Here's a few responses to some of the comments my rant has received on this blog.

“Good luck. Since you got personally closer to individual "truthers" it's possible you may suffer personal attacks. And not just from those you know, but from "friends of friends".”

“Also, I know you've opened yourself to extraordinary malicious attacking by these people. That's a brave thing to do, considering the immaturity of their anger. I don't envy your position. Good luck.”

I’m really hoping that it won’t come to that. I have no plans to bring personal issues into the fray. (Well, except for responses to people I know who bring up personal issues. I mean, these guys are still my friends, I even live with one of them. Although, I am upset that some of my friends dragged me into this, I know it’s not their fault; They’ve been misled, also. I’m hoping I can show them the light.

“Sorry. Not good enough.
I had family in the towers both times they were bombed.
My brother in one of the firefighters you see staggering out of those clouds of toxic dust.
My sister had to walk through a pitch black subway tunnel for a quarter mile from the Nassau Street station.
It's going to take more than an 'oops' blog post to make up for the fact that you spent a year spreading lies about them and what happened that day.
I hope you'll put as much effort into publicly countering your lies as you did in telling them.”

I am truly sorry that my actions as a “truther” deeply upset you. It was never my intent to spread lies about what happened on 9/11. Like all truthers, I truly believed I was doing the victims a favor by asking those questions. But, I was wrong to do so without doing my own research. I cannot imagine the torment caused to a family member of a Flight 93 victim, for instance, trying to be told that it was shot down or there was no plane to begin with. It’s completely wrong to try to downplay the heroism of these victims, by saying that “boxcutters are a joke” or the “let’s roll” remark was just a govt. psy-op to invoke patriotism.

As far as putting more effort toward “countering my lies,” I’m really torn. As mentioned earlier, those guys are still my friends and I just can’t picture myself following them around and discrediting them as they’re handing out their pamphlets. My hope is to attempt to show them the light, but some of them are so invested into it, I’m not expecting too much. For now, I’m going to try and stay consistent with this blog to take down the real culprits—the heads of the movement who are lying.

“did it occur to you that there are more than 2 sides to an argument? considering your new "conservative" point of view, maybe not. could it be that all of the conspiracy nut cases are wrong, and also, the war is wrong? is there any chance that might be true? i've better things to do than look through your history, but considering your "new stance" i'd be real surprised if that was not your stance all along, and this is just another flight of fancy.”

I have not turned into an ultra-conservative, it was simply a theoretical response I may get from friends. I still believe the war was fought under false pretenses. It may be a bit of a stretch, but let me try to relate the Iraq War with 9/11 Truth.

Truthers will readily admit now that Loose Change is garbage, and instead point you to other documentaries. Even the Loose Change guys admit this by totally retracting “facts” such as their airphones from their latest edition of the “truth.” Now, this is a raw number, but I’d say 3/4ths of truthers became truthers because of Loose Change, specifically. Believing all the hype in controlled demolition and CIA phone calls from the planes caused them to take action. But now these claims have been thoroughly debunked, what do they do? They find “new” evidence as to why they should keep fighting.

Don’t know if that logic’s really solid, but I’m working on it.. Just want to move on at this point.

“not even debunkers can explain all the dozen foreign intelligence warnings, the august 6th pdb, or the ISI connection. That my friend, is the irrefutable truth.
You have wronged yourself. The movement is not supposed to teach you or guide you to what is disinfo/misinfo. If you haven't learned the truth; rather, have now ran away from it, it's your own fault.

And that has nothing to do with controlled demolitions on 9/11; you chose to make it the main subject.”

In my original rant, I stated that there were some inconsistencies in the official story that couldn’t be disproven (or haven’t been disproven yet). Unfortunately for the truthers, whom are mostly in the MIHOP camp, these inconsistencies lean more toward LIHOP. It’s some research I’ve yet to do, but look forward to doing so in the future. And the 9/11 Truth Movement has EVERYTHING to do with the controlled demolition theory. Especially in the case of Building 7, this is the “smoking gun” that truthers point to and the subject matter of the most popular truther movies. How many truthers do you know simply point out the warnings and other “solid stuff” when soliciting people with the “truth?” Maybe some food for thought on how you guys can be a more truthful movement.

Mark Roberts said...

Thanks for posting this, Mike. As was said above, it takes courage to say "I was fooled." You're an honorable guy.

I've had over a hundred people email me thanking me for making information available that helped them examine the 9/11 truth movement's claims. At the JREF forum where I post, several debunkers are former 9/11 conspiracy believers. I think you'll find that there's a lot more rationality and research on this "side of the fence."

Keep thinking for yourself.”

Thank you, Mark. I apologize for not giving you the proper thanks you deserve for my change in thinking. Your debate with Alex Jones at Ground Zero on 9/11/06 was very eye opening in exposing Jones for the fraud he is. He could not answer your questions, and only responded with very childlike responses, such as yelling out “strawman,” incorrectly might I add, and accusing you of being a govt. agent.

Why suddenly stop at these two movies that debunk the truth movement? If you do even MORE research you'll find there actually ARE a ton of engineers and fireman who have come out on the issue. They are not all complicit, many either have gag-orders on them (the firemen) or are afraid of possibly losing their jobs. These hit pieces have removed your common sense.

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This guy’s always been ripped to shreds in the comments. I would just like to clarify that it was not these two movies alone that changed my mind. I spent a month and a half in between “Screw Loose Change” and “Screw 9/11 Mysteries” in looking at the argument from my unique perspective of having been on “both sides of the fence.” I’ll admit whole-heartedly that I never did my own research as a truther. I was fortunate (or unfortunate, I guess) enough to have friends who were doing their own research and telling me their findings.

I was so emotionally struck by “Martial Law” and “9/11 Mysteries,” that I readily accepted anything else on the subject as fact, especially since I was getting the info from trusted friends. I’m going out on a limb here, but my guess is that this is same story for the overwhelming majority of truthers. How many of them do you think actually read the 9/11 Commission or NIST reports? If that were the case, you’d hear a lot more than the typical “parroting” found in the movement. Like maybe people thinking and speaking for themselves perhaps.

“I've watched both of them (at the insistence of a many individuals both within and without the "9/11 Truth movement") much more than once, and hey - let others watch for themselves, but the two documentaries, even together, make very little more than personal attacks on the people that created the original documentaries ("Loose Change" and "9/11 Mysteries," which, for your sake, I have not posted here).”

“Very little more than personal attacks?” Maybe, if you ignore that blatant misquoting of people, like the WTC construction guy in Mysteries, whose interview was completely chopped up to insinuate that he heard multiple explosions all at once. Or if you ignore that Mysteries’ whole demolition theory is completely debunked because A. their aspects of the WTC's controlled demolition are completely out of order and B. that chain of events wouldn’t take place over 90 minutes, but rather in 90 seconds like in ALL controlled demolitions. I could go on, like how 9/11 Mysteries falsely claimed that Silverstein was awarded $7 billion (and completely ignore his rent and rebuilding payments), but it’s obvious that you didn’t watch the same movies I did.

“Do you somehow not recognize that the "9/11 Truth movement" tries not to make claim to know what happened, that they merely have questions beyond what has been investigated, so far?...that the entire purpose of it's existence is to request a new investigation?”

Yeah, that’s why “9/11 was an inside job!” is the movement’s main slogan.

“Do you question the validity of victims asking questions of the crimes that were committed against them?”

Not at all. The loved ones of victims have every right to ask any question they wish. I have all the respect in the world for the Jersey Girls and how they fought for an investigation in the first place. But these are not the same people yelling “9/11 was an inside job.” Sure, I know the We Are Change kids parade around a couple of family members, but I think that’s a matter of playing on these poor victim’s emotions, giving them a false sense of hope that there will be justice since no one was held accountable by the 9/11 Commission Report. Nonetheless, the victims’ families are not leading the movement. The last I checked Jones (both of ‘em), Avery, Bermas, Fetzer, and whoever else you want to add to that list did not know any victims.

Alright, that’s it for now. I would like to thank everyone for their thanks/fuckyou’s. I never intended this rant to go as viral as it has. I have two more responses, one for Mr. Avery and one for my fellow 9/11 Truth UAlbany co-founder Noah P. Tefft on the way.