Noah P. Tefft said...
Wow, this is quite surprising Mike. In only 48 hours your words are all over the Internet. I am receiving calls and emails asking about you. As a person who also co-founded 9/11 Truth UAlbany with you and someone who also would consider himself a friend of yours, I was shocked that you wrote this.
Hey Noah, nice to finally hear from you. I’m glad you would consider yourself a friend of mine, but last I checked, friends don’t just move across the country without telling anyone. I left you voicemail after voicemail, the later ones just asking if you were all right, but no response until now. I used to jokingly tell Nancy Machold, head of the volunteer office that authorized the college credits we were offering, that you were my top pupil. Well, it genuinely hurt me when you bounced like that.
I felt like a failure as any type of leader. This was just one instance of my constant self-loathing while involved in 9/11 Truth. I don’t think it was just me, either. Since you left, so many other people did too. Always still believing in the movement, just leaving for whatever reason. Glad to know you’re still breathing air. My last memory of you involves you critiquing me for taking shitty pictures on your camera, taking a shot at me for being short.
My question for you is where do you stand now? Do you still support a new investigation? Do you now believe that 19 muslims with box cutters did this? Do you believe everything that you see on TV and in movies? Are you physically capable of forming your OWN opinion? You have me quite confused.
Why is it so hard to believe that 19 hijackers with box cutters did this? What proof did we ever have that says these people didn’t exist, besides long-debunked reports that they were turning up alive?
I don’t believe controlled demolitions are involved. I don’t believe a missile hit the Pentagon. (see pic below) I do believe there was a plane in Shanksville. I don’t believe Larry Silverstein walked away with $4.6 billion for himself. I don’t believe that the FDNY Commissioner told Silverstein that the FDNY was going to “pull” Building 7. I don’t believe that CNN and the BBC had a script. I don’t believe the fact that 19 hijackers with boxcutters did this is so unbelievable.
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Photograph of a body found inside the Pentagon after Flight 77 crashed into the building.
Released in Moussaoui Trial
Are these not the main points of the 9/11 Truth Movement? Demolitions, Building 7, Silverstein, Pentagon Missile, media complicity? I know there’s more, but it’s a bit misleading to sink people in by throwing out these outrageous theories that ignore science, logic, and the blackboxes of the planes, and only then present the “solid” stuff.
What really hurts me the most Mike, is to hear that you "wasted a year of your life". Does that mean that the friendships you made over that year were a waste too? I'd hate to think that. Was it a waste of time for us to work in solidarity with all of those other groups on campus too - The Greens, Killer Coke, Students for Workers Right, etc? Were those nights we hung out at my apartment drinking beers until sunrise discussing how we wanted to make the world a better place for everyone a waste too? If that is so Mike, then you my friend are the one who duped me into believing that you were an intelligent caring human being, capable of making his own decisions, and forming his own rational opinions.
You’re right. The “wasted a year of my life” tagline is not true. But I am a marketing major, so I knew that would get people’s attention. I’m very grateful of all the great people I’ve met and become friends with over the past year. The Albany truthers are a rare breed and I think the vast majority of truthers out there gave us a bad name.
You bring up all the other groups we worked with, but think of it this way: Think of all the time we wasted talking about wacky conspiracy theories on a national and international level, while all these groups were taking real action at the local level? I was on the New York Public Interest Research Group’s (NYPIRG) statewide board of directors before I was convinced to quit altogether because they didn’t tackle “real issues.” I really regret that.
I don’t, however, regret what we built at UAlbany. We were the real deal—truth seekers. I think it’s unfortunate that our guys have invested themselves in 9/11 truth so much. There are so many other issues that coincide with our Constitutional views which we could’ve been working on.
So you disagree with some of the stuff in Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries - I do too, but that doesn't mean that it's all wrong either. It also doesn’t mean that they were trying to “dupe” you, or present lies to make movie sales.
But they are “duping” people. Both movies misquoted people not by accident, but by specifically clipping out things they said that didn’t match their theory. 9/11 Mysteries lied about Silverstein’s “7 billion dollar” payout. Why won’t any truther admit that Silverstein has had to pay $120 million per year rent just to keep the property? Why is profit motive so short-sighted that truthers don’t even ask the obvious question: Doesn’t he have to use that money to rebuild? It’s just “Larry Silverstein made $4.6 billion off of 9/11, period.”
This is just one example. Why can’t 9/11 Mysteries even keep its own story straight? First, it’s obviously an implosion because it fell in its own footprint, then it’s an explosion because debris went flying out due to all the bombs, and then within 10 minutes, they’re back to the implosion with the freefall stuff? The whole film builds up to their theory on the aspects of the demolition, but they’re all out of order and would only have been seconds apart, not the 90 minutes in the case of the WTC. You’d think they’d put in a little more research on how a controlled demolition actually works, but then maybe they wouldn’t have a movie to sell.
If you remember correctly, it was me who urged you all (SUNY Albany Truthers) to watch Screw Loose Change sometime last year. I said that in order to find the truth - whatever that may be - you need to look at every side of the story. You didn’t want to look into anything other than whatever your hero Alex Jones had to say. This movement isn’t “led” by anyone, and we all have different opinions as to what happened on 9/11. For you to blindly follow someone like Alex Jones without looking into both sides is irresponsible anyways. I have issues with the Truth Movement as well at times, and I do my best to address those issues in order to move forward – but throwing out blind attacks will get you nowhere.
I totally forgot you had made that suggestion until I read this. Noah, you were always my favorite truther. But honestly, how many people took your advice? How many people in the movement look outside the truther stuff? If you believe in the truther logic, you can’t look outside because everyone else is in on it.
I did blindly follow Alex Jones and I’m not ashamed to admit it. It was irresponsible and I apologize to you and every other member of our group. The guy is very charismatic, and I’m not the only one who has fallen for his charms. Noah, please don’t be so naïve as to believe that there are no leaders. Just look at the WeAreChange event on 9/11/07. I wasn’t there, but I heard about lots of elitism from the usual suspects. Alex Jones will never admit it outright, but come on, he always reminds everyone that he was the first to call it.
For the record, Bermas admitted he was wrong about "The firefighters being paid off", and he apologized as well - 2 years ago - http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/2006/12/message-from-jason-bermas.html
Why to you have such hatred for the Loose Change guys? I think you are hitting below the belt Mike, and that just doesn't seem like the Mikey Metz that I became friends with last year.
And Mike - was this really necessary? -
"Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research." "
Yeah, and instead of just admitting he was wrong, he blamed it on some “jedi mind trick.” Has Dylan apologized for his claims about boxcutters being a complete joke or “let’s roll” being some govt. psy-op to bolster patriotism? Here’s a video with select quotes from the creators. The world is awaiting their apologies.
Watch this whole thing and tell me who’s hitting below the belt: Me or the Loose Change guys?
Are you saying "fuck you" to me as well? I have done my own research as well, and I had been years before I had met you, and long before Loose Change had even been created. My research did not just consist of Infowars archives - it came from all types of sources, mainstream and underground. Shit Mike, I had already read the Debunking the 9/11 Myths put out by Popular Mechanics before YOU had even heard of Loose Change. I told you about 9/11 Myths a long time ago - It's not my fault you didn't want to look at other facts. Perhaps you should have spent less time yelling at traffic through bullhorns, and sat down and did some independent thinking and research.
Noah, you’re an exception. Like I said earlier, the guys we had in Albany are above the rest. A lot of them, like you, have done their research. I’m glad you have looked at the other side, but doesn’t it bother you how much you’ve been misled? Let me restate that, doesn’t it bother you how much your average Joe Truther is being misled? Do you really think all these truthers you see on myspace are looking at both sides?
If this were a real truth movement, why not shed light on the aspects of this theory that have been debunked? Why yell “9/11 was an inside job!” if you’re “just asking questions?” Why not address the 4.6% MIHOPer statistic from the latest poll and try to work on bringing the number up?
What the hell did Dylan and Jason ever do to you? - Oh right, they came out and spoke at our school twice, and they made TONS of money too - Oh wait, no they didn't, they didn't sell anything. They didn't charge us anything - In fact, they brought free copies of Loose Change for everyone who came.
First off, I don’t remember them coming twice. Can you refresh my memory of this second time that you and Dylan both speak of? And you’re right. They didn’t charge a speaking fee and they didn’t sell anything… that night. But what about the 50,000 copies they have sold? (which Dylan admits on the LCF) 50,000 copies x $20 = $1 million. I wonder how much they’ve made on t-shirts.
Couldn’t you see what they were doing? It’s a hard sell to put a price tag on the truth (just ask the WeAreChange kids), so with a video like that, they had to offer the truth for free. This made it spread virally, while making at least a cool mil in the process. Now, they have their names out there and 9/11 Truth groups (or Loose Change street teams, as I like to call them) spreading their message throughout the country.
What was this to lead to? None other than that nationwide theatrical release of Loose Change Final Cut, where truthers would have to pay $10 a ticket for their dose of truth. But we all know what happened with that. Now, they’ll settle for another quick million at least and probably update the “Investigate” shirts to make another buck.
Mike - you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, it is your right to do so. But placing blame on others for your lack of research is inexcusable. If your beliefs are so easily manipulated just by watching a movie or two, then you have real issues, and that would lead me to believe that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. I certainly hope that is untrue, because I always thought that you were a very intelligent person, capable of independent thinking. I’m not sure if you are just angry in general and looking for something or someone to lash out at – but doing so in a manner like this will inevitably get you nowhere.
Well I’m glad you put that “inevitably” in there because my little facebook post is now all over the web. Internet fame wasn’t in mind when I wrote it, just wanted it to reach SLC as a form of thanks. Hell, even you came out of the woodwork over it. I’ve actually been happier than ever since I quit smoking pot. No, I haven’t become a militant ex-smoker. Everyone’s entitled to do what they want, I just didn’t like who I was when I was high. I’m once again taking school seriously and am planning to graduate this December. So, look’s like I’m going somewhere come 2008.
I hope that you continue to search for the truth Mike. I urge you to look beyond dvds and websites either supporting or debunking 9/11 Truth – There is a much bigger picture than just that out there – and the truth is - We may never know what really happened on 9/11, not one of us on either side holds the key to unlocking the “Truth”. That my friend is for you to decide for yourself.
I wish you the best Mike.
-Noah P. Tefft
Co-Founder 9/11 Truth UAlbany
Truther For Life
Thanks for this, Noah. I hope we can discuss this further in private some day.
Note: Corrected the fact that Silverstein has had to pay $120 million per year. Still waiting for similar corrections from the 9/11 Truth Movement.