Thursday, February 7, 2008

Troofer Throwback Thursdays

It's time for another stroll down memory lane. There was only one really interesting comment from last week's video, written by none other than "Student Scholar for Troof" Justin Martelll:

Now I see why you left the movement. You spent a year making videos of yourself acting like a lunatic instead of spending time doing a single bit of research. So why, because you acted like an idiot for a year, do we have to listen to your narcissistic ranting about yourself?

Justin Martell


Haha, so I guess Martel now believes the "official story" of WTC 7 because he just called me a lunatic who didn't do any research after watching me parrot the troofer talking points on WTC 7. Maybe he's finally coming around.

Onto this week's edition-- One of my final troof actions (a.k.a. The usual small group of kooks on a street corner):



My bullhorn rant is from roughly 6:00-8:00, if you actually value your time ;D.

38 comments:

Concerned Fellow said...

What ever became of your friends here?

Justin Martell said...

I certainly don't believe the official collapse theory behind WTC 7. However, you proved my statement true.

"he just called me a lunatic who didn't do any research after watching me parrot the troofer talking points on WTC 7."

Parroting the talking points of others is not doing research. If you'd actually done any research you would at least concede that the 9/11 Commission was at the very least a cover up and would not support the efforts of individuals like Pat Crowley and James B. who have just as much an agenda as people like Alex Jones et al.

So for a year you repeated what you heard in Loose Change 2nd Edition and 9/11 Mysteries, and then because you looked like an idiot, now aim to denounce all those seeking the truth just because you're ashamed of your embarrassing behavior in a couple of Google Videos?

By the way, I'm still waiting for a response to my invitation I sent you on myspace to debate me...

lurker said...

bravo. You have giant balls for posting these videos from the past. If it was me I would have deleted them and then smashed up my computer. Looking forward to more of these.

Max Power said...

Hey concerned dickhead - we're still here.

Waiting for assholes like you and martel to show up and start flinging your feces around...

Dance monkeys dance!

Justin Martell said...

"Hey concerned dickhead - we're still here.

Waiting for assholes like you and martel to show up and start flinging your feces around...

Dance monkeys dance!"

The so called "debunkers" have spewed some of the most vile things I have ever heard and read. Absolutely disgusting.

Max Power said...

Keep crapping all over my country martel and I'll keep calling you the shit flinging monkey you are.

Vile and disgusting??? - look in the mirror you scumbag terrorist loving piece of shit traitor!

Derk Winters said...

You want a debate justine?

I will pay you to debate Mark Roberts. As long as I can be there to witness it.

E-mail me: cdr_dtw_usnr@yahoo.com if you are "interested".

Justin Martell said...

"Keep crapping all over my country martel and I'll keep calling you the shit flinging monkey you are.

Vile and disgusting??? - look in the mirror you scumbag terrorist loving piece of shit traitor!"

You certainly have a way with words...

Justin Martell said...

"You want a debate justine?

I will pay you to debate Mark Roberts. As long as I can be there to witness it.

E-mail me: cdr_dtw_usnr@yahoo.com if you are "interested"."

Yes, I certainly want to correspond with someone who calls me "Justine."

derk winters said...

Pussy

Justin Martell said...

My point exactly. Speaking of pussies, why don't you ask your boy Mikey Metz why he hasn't responded to my debate request...

Justin Martell said...

and in regard to Mark Roberts, why don't you ask him why he hasn't responded to the question I asked him in an email a few days ago...

Max Power said...

"and in regard to Mark Roberts, why don't you ask him why he hasn't responded to the question I asked him in an email a few days ago..."

Because he's not a faggot like you...?

Eric said...

I doubt any twoofer could really engage any real debate, for the most part they attempt to demand the questions and instead try to move the goal posts constantly. Its both sad and typical.

If you do not respond to a twoofer, like others probably just do not, it points to them being part of the conspiracy or some other silliness. What they cannot take is simply being ignored.

So heres your challenge there bucko - post your theory about what happened that day, in detail. Without using long debunked foolishness from Jones and others.

Explain why exactly you think WTC 7 didnt collapse as was reported.

Justin Martell said...

"Because he's not a faggot like you...?"

So he didn't answer my question because I'm a "faggot?" Even if I had sex with men, what would that have to do with anything? Aren't you supposed to be on the side of logic here?

And to Eric, I challenged Mikey Metz to a debate on the radio. I did not challenge you to a debate in the comments section of extruther.blogspot.com

Eric said...

I do not care if you did not challenge me to a single thing or not.

But I note with amusement that you are utterly unable to actually post your opinion in the slightest and have shrugged off.

I will therefore put you in the clueless twoofer category.

Let me help you out a little Justin, I'll let you mull this over a little bit.

Why should anyone actually 'debate you' on the radio when you cannot even answer a question on an internet forum.

It seems to me that you are a coward much like Patrick CM who used to post here. Intellectually and morally, and more importantly you do not have the courage of your convictions to face people in an open forums, you ... like a coward.. want to set the rules and the terms of your 'participation' and as such there is no reason for anyone to even bother responding to you.

*pats Justin*

I'll take this as another sign of the cowardice of most twoofers, and another example of why I have so much contempt for the likes of people like you.

Let me though remind you of one thing. you are not seeking the truth, but instead seek the twoof, you are not interested in reading what experts say, or in the reality of the world. You are instead interested in fantasy, you would rather believe in a shadow government then in the reality of terrorism.

Eric said...

You see Justin, you are not in on anything special. You are not closing in on the truth, the simple reality is that the reason that people like Mark Roberts or Mike Metz do not respond to you is because... well ... you are a nobody.

You arent closing in on some sort of truth, you aren't privy to any special information. You are just another in a long line of paranoid fantasist who thinks that they are up to some sort of world changing movement that will ... do what? Bring the government down? Change the world? Free everyone?

No, you are nothing more then a cult like member of a mostly defunct movement. You would rather believe in fantasy then in reality, you would rather turn to someone with a degree in a history of science, then any sort of respected engineers.

So lets clear one thing up, the only sheep around here, as 911 twoofers so often like to call others who do look on them with the contempt they so richly deserve, is you.

Justin Martell said...

"You see Justin, you are not in on anything special. You are not closing in on the truth, the simple reality is that the reason that people like Mark Roberts or Mike Metz do not respond to you is because... well ... you are a nobody."

Says the person taking the time to argue with me on an obscure blog! I love the "debunker" mentality. When a truther doesn't debate a "debunker" it's because he was scared and ran. Yet, when a "debunker" doesn't want to debate a truther it's because the truther is not worth the time. Let's say the situation were reversed, and it was Metz who issued the challenge that I refused to respond to. You, Eric, would be on here carrying on about how I was "too scared" and couldn't face a "rational thinker, etc, etc." It's obnoxious.

If I was, indeed, a nobody as you say, then Metz and Roberts wouldn't spend so much time harping on about me and including me in posts on their blogs, etc.

How about you, instead of making excuses for Metz as to why he hasn't responded to my challenge, ask him to respond himself?

If I'm such a moron, nobody, and wrong, then it shouldn't be difficult for Metz to prove that in a public debate, now would it? I'm asking you guys to put your money where your mouth is. Show up or shut up.

Justin Martell said...

"But I note with amusement that you are utterly unable to actually post your opinion in the slightest and have shrugged off."

Get Metz to debate me in a public forum and you can tell him to ask any question you want. I will gladly respond to all of them. Now, stop trying to make excuses for Metz and lets get this show on the road!

Eric said...

Says the person taking the time to argue with me on an obscure blog!

To another person posting on the same obscure blog :)



I love the "debunker" mentality.

Dont we all. I personally have nothing but contempt for the mentality of the twoofer though.


When a twoofer doesn't debate a "debunker"


Spelling corrected free fo charge.

it's because he was scared and ran.

Actually I'm only pointing out that you are a moral and intellectual coward.

Yet, when a "debunker" doesn't want to debate a twoofer it's because the truther is not worth the time.

Prove that you are worth the time..

Let's say the situation were reversed, and it was Metz who issued the challenge that I refused to respond to.

It isn't though is it?

So make all your claims but they have no basis in reality. The truth is that it is YOU who are making these claims, after all isnt it you who said the following?

and in regard to Mark Roberts, why don't you ask him why he hasn't responded to the question I asked him in an email a few days ago...

Speaking of pussies, why don't you ask your boy Mikey Metz why he hasn't responded to my debate request...

Ahhh =\

The hypocrisy you espouse. Its wonderful though when your very own words can be copied and pasted.


You, Eric, would be on here carrying on about how I was "too scared" and couldn't face a "rational thinker, etc, etc."


Would I? Again, you are just sitting around making up a situation that isn't real is it?

It's obnoxious.

I find the majority of the posts you have made here to be little more then obnoxious at the most fundamental level. Personally what I find obnoxious even more then your posts is the hypocrisy you so blatantly wave around and try to wear as if its some sort of shield.

If I was, indeed, a nobody as you say, then Metz and Roberts wouldn't spend so much time harping on about me and including me in posts on their blogs, etc.

But you are indeed a nobody :)


How about you, instead of making excuses for Metz as to why he hasn't responded to my challenge, ask him to respond himself?

Why should I?

You wont even respond to my own without making a complete ass out of yourself. Typical twoofer tactic though, and to be well expected of a simpleton who shut off his mind and bought into baseless accusations.


If I'm such a moron,

Theres no if here.

nobody,


Again no if.

and wrong,

No doubt here.

then it shouldn't be difficult for Metz to prove that in a public debate, now would it?

Actually considering how poorly twoofers debate there isn't much point to it.

I'm asking you guys to put your money where your mouth is.


Great I'm sure you have some real evidence this time? You know something concrete and physical?

Oh right.... no twoofer has ever been able to do that =\


Show up or shut up.

And yet you can't even do it in a simple message. Why should they debate you? Why should anyone pay any heed to you? I called you out and all you can do is whine that other people wont respond to your 'challenges' while all the while NOT responding.

Basically what I've learned after a few years of demolishing twoofers on various internet forums is that most of you are hardly worth a moments interest.

You can be shown all the science, all of the studies done and you will instead cling to the wild ramblings of a few failures.

So the question is why should anyone bother to debate you? I've seen the idea of twoofer 'debates' most of it is really one guy constantly moving the goal posts. There is no point to it.

The show up or shut up mentality is just your way of trying to silence those who rightfully point out your flaws. You sit around, challenge them to a 'debate' and then when they ignore you or refuse to you just say, 'haha! i win'

Honestly, I've met many a twoofer in my time, here, there, and everywhere, and all of you seem to share this incessant stupidity. Perhaps its time for the twoofers to provide some honest real concrete evidence instead of relying on flimsy science and water testers, and army deserters, and film school rejects, and theologians, and nutty professors to back them up.

That isn't asking to much is it?

Ahhh... apparently it is =\

One of your bodies said it best here :

It is hard to argue with facts, hence the 911 truth movement.

Arguing with facts...

Eric said...

Get Metz to debate me in a public forum and you can tell him to ask any question you want. I will gladly respond to all of them. Now, stop trying to make excuses for Metz and lets get this show on the road!

Perhaps you should stop hiding behind the coattails of others ?

You were called out - and you've shown your true colors. You've shown yourself to be an intellectual coward, and a hypocrite, you wrote it in big black words on these pages.

Perhaps you should grow up a little, realize that you do not get to set the rules when you feel like it.

Then again... well ... I've met some smarter twoofers in my time.

Justin Martell said...

Eric,
The fact that a "debunker" is accusing me of espousing hypocrisy is truly laughable. The truth is, I did not challenge anonymous Eric to a debate, I challenged Mikey Metz to a debate. Perhaps it goes both ways, you're a nobody to me, so perhaps I did not feel like responding to your question? Oh, but it's different when you say do it. Again, if a truther refuses he's a coward, if a debunker refuses the truther simply was "not worth the time."

Calling me a slew of names is not going to change the fact that Metz is the true intellectual coward here. How about this, if Metz fails to show up for the debate, would you be interested in debating on the radio?

Just because I don't feel it necessary to get into a full debate in a blog comments section does not mean I am the coward you seek to paint me as. If I'm going to engage in a debate then I want it to be in a public setting. You're saying that I am trying to set the rules? How is attempting to set up a debate in a public setting cowardly and dishonest? Anyone who won't have their ideas challenged in a public forum is not serious part of this process. I am willing to have my ideas challenged in a public forum...how is that cowardly? I offered Metz the same amount of speaking time and respect. Something that he surely wouldn't offer to me. Again, surely if I am everything you say that I am, then a debate should be a piece of cake. How about it? If Metz refuses will you step up to the plate?

Justin Martell said...

and for the record, your 'red herring' arguments and character assassination attempts are getting so old.

Eric said...

I see you retain your level of cowardice :)

Funny though, the hypocrisy is right there for everyone to see, you cannot answer a single question. Its not to matter who you challenged, I challenged you and you can not even rise to meet it. Whats funny is that you somehow continue to squirm and writhe and twist around what is supposedly 'correct'. See when I call you a hypocrit, i'm backing it up with the reality that you cannot, even just a little, answer the simple question I posed to you.

Just one simple question.

So why is that?

Hummmmmm.

Lets wonder aboutthis for a little bit shall we?

Great.


See, Justin, you could've taken the opportunity to show me up, to actually post your 'detailed analysis' and backed it up. Instead you chose to wuss out, to try and say, I aint trying to debate you, I'm trying to debate this other guy here.

So tell me who is the true coward? You post a challenge, but when you yourself are challenged you run and hide because its not the forum you feel it should be in.

Oh well.

Just because I don't feel it necessary to get into a full debate in a blog comments section does not mean I am the coward you seek to paint me as.

Of course it does, it points to the fact that the only way you want to debate is on the terms you feel are appropriate.

All I've done here is just put it out in front of everyone else to see. Drawn you out to show everyone who comes along and reads this to see what a coward you are.

If I'm going to engage in a debate then I want it to be in a public setting.

I believe this is rather open to any one :)

I am willing to have my ideas challenged in a public forum.

Apparently you are not.

how is that cowardly?

It is the very definition of cowardly.


The fun thing about you Justin is that you do not even realize how you are showing everyone what a coward you are by refusing to answer the very simple and easy question I posed to you.

You couldnt even rise to that single little thing.

See Justin... I win :)

And you... well ...

Lose.

:)

Eric said...

and for the record, your 'red herring' arguments and character assassination attempts are getting so old.

Translation for others: Justin cannot respond to the questions I put to him.

Wasom said...

Can you honestly say that 3 buildings 'fell down' in such a perfect way on 1 and ONLY ONE day?

I don't blame you for distancing yourself from what has become of the 911 truth movement. I've done the same, and I also founded a group. The 'movement' has become ridiculous.

BUT....questions remain.

Do you honestly believe that things happened the way the gov. told you they did?

If so, I feel very sad for you.

Justin A. Martell said...

Eric,

Again, did it ever occur to you that perhaps I see you as a nobody that I don't want to waste my time posting a "detailed" analysis to? Tell Metz to pose the same question to me in the PUBLIC debate that I have asked for an I'll gladly answer it.

Many, many words, Eric and still no word from Metz. I've asked for a debate in a public forum and I'm the coward?

For the sake of arguement I'm not answering your question for the same reason you claim Metz isn't answering my challenge. You're an inconsequential gnat. Now please, step aside, and ask Metz to show up and debate me.

Only a debunker can spin things so well that the one asking for a PUBLIC debate is made out to be the coward. Absolutely absurd.

Eric said...

*pats Justin on the head*

Its okay Justin, you've been publically called out, and humiliated and you still... STILL cannot even post a response to the simple question I asked you.

Why should anyone bother answering you?

Why should anyone bother responding to you? All you've done is run and hide, squirm and writhe, twist and make up silly accusations.

What a silly little naive fool you are.

/dismiss

Eric said...

Can you honestly say that 3 buildings 'fell down' in such a perfect way on 1 and ONLY ONE day?

Can you provide proof that things happened the way you said they did? Who said they fell down in a perfect way anyway? 911 twoofer videos? Sorry but the collapses were messy, damaging to surrounding buildings, and overall did not fall down in a 'perfect way' like you claim. Provide some evidence to suggest that they did before you make that claim. If the best you can do is to argue from a position of incredulity then you will also be committing a logical fallacy.

I don't blame you for distancing yourself from what has become of the 911 truth movement. I've done the same, and I also founded a group. The 'movement' has become ridiculous.

Good for you, its the first step into reclaiming your intelligence back.

BUT....questions remain.

Such as....?

Do you honestly believe that things happened the way the gov. told you they did?

The government didn't tell us a damn thing. Lets make a real concentrated effort to understand something here. This is a PUBLIC story. It was reported by eye witnesses, thousands of them, by all the researchers, by all the fire fighters, and more and more and more. The government didn't come in, cover everything up, no ... they didn't tell the story, the PUBLIC told the story.

If so, I feel very sad for you.

The question has to be what kind of moral vacuum you live in that you would believe that the government would murder 3000 of its own citizens. What sort of world, what kind of self loathing and hatred do you have to have do believe something as foolish as that.

And that they did it without leaving any sort of concrete evidence behind too!

No sorry, don't feel bad for others who have turned away from the 911 twoof movement, feel sorry for those who allow themselves to be lied too, to surrender their free thinking, and to allow others to think of them like almost all 911 twoofers have done.

Justin Martell said...

*pats Justin on the head*
"Its okay Justin, you've been publically called out, and humiliated and you still... STILL cannot even post a response to the simple question I asked you.

Why should anyone bother answering you?

Why should anyone bother responding to you? All you've done is run and hide, squirm and writhe, twist and make up silly accusations.

What a silly little naive fool you are.

/dismiss"

Again, only when dabbling in the world if the "debunkers" can the one asking for a fair public debate be made out to be the coward.

Justin Martell said...

Correction:

"Again, only when dabbling in the world OF the "debunkers..."

Eric said...

What part of /dismiss didn't you understand?

sabala said...

Your debating skills with a bullhorn are impressive.

Shadou said...

These comments are near hilarious!

It's just too bad I missed it.

So any debate go down... besides this one of course.

Funny how all these conspiracy theorists say that they have done all this investigating and researching but once they belly up to the bar with someone like Mark Roberts that actually read all the reports and the analyses they have nothing really to say accept that they are doing this for the families of the victims. Or they start lashing out or start becoming more aggressive to the one(s) that they think are making them look incompetent.

I wonder if Justin is still preaching his vision of truth to this day?

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